How Prince Fielder Fits

by ~ January 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am

The market for Prince Fielder has been weird. Teams haven’t showered Fielder with gifts and ridiculous contract offers, which is probably a sign that the few remaining organizations who were behind the curve on player valuation finally get it. Not only that, but the pool of suitors for the 27-year-old has been smaller than anyone expected.

The vast majority of teams have an issue that precludes them from seriously chasing after Fielder. The Mets’ team ownership is downsizing payroll. The Dodgers seem reticent to guarantee big money to anyone this offseason, which is not surprising considering their unfortunate management situation. The Rays got Carlos Pena, the Reds have Joey Votto, and so on and so forth.  In my mind, there are only six teams that have a legitimate shot to sign Prince.

Tigers: The Tigers would have to up their payroll significantly to sign Fielder, but they just lost Victor Martinez for the entire 2012 season. If GM Dave Dombrowski feels pressure to replace Martinez’s bat – despite claims that he’s targeting multiple small-scale improvements to the roster – he might do some retooling and obtain the payroll space to sign Prince.

Nationals: Frankly, I don’t know how much sense Fielder makes for the Nats, who already have Mike Morse (3.4 WAR and 31 home runs) at first base for the next two years. Morse is one year older than Fielder, and he’s definitely way cheaper. The Nats also have Adam LaRoche under contract for 2012 with an option for 2013. For a team without the luxury of the designated hitter, the Nationals actually seem like a pretty lousy fit for Fielder.  The team has the money to sign Fielder, though, regardless of whether he’s a good fit for the ballclub – and that’s ultimately the most important variable.

Cubs: The Cubs just traded for 1B Anthony Rizzo and publicly claimed that they weren’t ready to commit so much money to one player as the team rebuilds.  That being said, they seem to have the payroll space to sign Fielder, so you never know.

Rangers: It sounds like the Rangers want Fielder, but I don’t know if GM Jon Daniels will be able to pull the trigger on a deal.  Texas has a team payroll over 125 million, and it’s probably going to end up over 130 by the time arbitration hearings are over.  If I’m Daniels, I’m hesitant to raise my team payroll to 155 million – if the option is even available.  I’m suspicious that the Rangers have the financial flexibility they’re rumored to have, since the numbers of their TV deal are about half what they were initially reported to be.  Then again, if I’m Prince Fielder, I take one look at the dimensions of that ballpark and sign a contract with the Rangers.

Mariners: Here is a fresh topic that has not been discussed much! (This is sarcasm.) The Mariners have reportedly been willing to commit the most guaranteed money to Prince Fielder, and they appear to have room for a ~16-18 million increase in payroll for 2012.  The M’s already have Jesus Montero at catcher and DH, and Justin Smoak at first, but they could feasibly do something like this:

Fielder gets 50 games at DH and 100 games at 1st.  Montero gets 70 games at catcher and 70 games at DH.  Smoak gets 70 games at 1st and 20 games at DH.

Under this arrangement, the M’s would get 90 games in which Smoak, Fielder, and Montero would all be in the lineup.  Signing Fielder would, of course, prevent the Mariners from signing a #2 or #3 starter, although Danny Hultzen could feasibly reach the majors as early as May.  I would not recommend this course of action to the Mariners, as signing the overweight first baseman is not a great long-term solution for this team, but the Mariners don’t listen to me!

Marlins: I have no idea what’s happening in Miami right now, but I imagine it looks something like this:

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Marlins turned out to have a bunch of money left to spend, despite what team president Dave Samson claims.

Conclusion: I think Fielder’s going to end up a National, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he joins the Mariners or the Rangers.


  • Anonymous

    Before I was thinking the Mariners should not spend the money but I’m starting to lick my chops at the idea of having ichiro, Ackley, Smoak, Carp, Montero, and then Prince growing together for the next 5 years. This could be n excellent nucleus. The only problem is we would have to spend less money on pitching. Still haved mixed feeling about Fielder, but I don’t think I’d be disappointed about having him on the team

  • Anonymous

    I think Jack Z has already been talking with Marlins about their players. Ive read Jack may have asked about logan morrison/mike stanton/hanley ramirez when he was getting Pineda’s name out there..
    My point is Marlins sure seem like the darkhorse to sign Fielder. They already had the money up there for Pujols. I believe they are going to be the highest bidder and happen to be in his home state. Perfect fit. Immediately after i could see Jack Z involving a trade of Tajuan Walker,Truinfel,Guti for Hanley Ramirez to get Marlins payroll back down and get rid of Hanleys’ headache.

    • Anonymous

      randy are you high we are not trading walker and them for hanley no way the bs about hanley upset about the move to third is all just that: bs it was a made up thing by the press hanley has said that he is fine and has talked things over with ozzie we a top ss on the way in nick franklin getting hanley would be a mistake and side note you really think the marlins care about payroll cmon man

  • Bryant Bartlett

    The further we have gone into the off season the more I hope Prince signs elsewhere. One top of that I really feel that Montero is going to see a lot of time at DH and if Smoak has another bust year, then Montero is going to see even more time at 1B in 2013.

  • http://twitter.com/Colesteinbach Cole Steinbach-Kane

    We have to spend cash right now if we want to compete in this division. Whether that be this year or next year…or the year after that (sigh). Fielder makes sense to an AL club. That being said as long as the dimensions of Safeco stay the same no power hitter is going to ‘want’ to play willingly for Seattle. The MLB is a STATS driven league and if Safeco takes away 5-10-15 homers of your total a year and that probably subtracts 25-30 RBI’s as well… I mean if I was Prince Fielder I wouldn’t want to play there. And if you were a power hitter you probably wouldn’t want to either. But I hope they sign him! He’s my favorite player!

  • Anonymous

    I get so mad when people say that the dimensions of Ameriquest field has better dimensions then Safeco Field. Go to 
    http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Dimensions.html and you will know

    • http://twitter.com/95MiracleMs Lance Miller

      The dimensions between Seattle and Texas are nearly identical, but the air factor is what separates the two. Cold air in Seattle with breeze blowing in from LF knocks balls down compared to the warm air of Texas. With that said, the numbers would change a lot if we switched home teams and had Texas playing 81 games in Safeco and vice versa. We need to get some power in the lineup (proven power versus potential power) and then we can gripe about the fences if the numbers are still down.

      • http://twitter.com/TaylorRobot Taylor

        Well said.  Thanks for the back-up, Lance.

  • http://twitter.com/95MiracleMs Lance Miller

    For the record, there were 8 (3 A.L., 5 N.L.) ballparks that averaged less HR’s than Safeco and 1 that averaged the same. Take into consideration that we play half our games at Safeco w/o much power in the lineup which tells me it is a bit overblown regarding the power issues there. Not saying it is Toronto, but it isn’t Yellowstone Park either.

    And yes the numbers can be skewed because of no DH in the N.L.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah that’s what I am saying, its just hard to put numbers together like that because Texas is full of power hitters and Seattle last year wasn’t and only Seattle and another team plays there at a time so you cant take these numbers into so much context. Prince would thrive here like Raul Ibanez did for many years.

  • Anonymous

    “Fielder gets 50 games at DH and 100 games at 1st.  Montero gets 70
    games at catcher and 70 games at DH.  Smoak gets 70 games at 1st and 20
    games at DH.”

    And that, right there, is why I don’t think I want the M’s to sign Prince Fielder.  Seriously, 90 games for Smoak in that scenario…and that’s optimistic.  Not to mention that Carp wouldn’t see hardly any time at DH and would still be platooning in LF with Casper Wells(assuming we still kept him after signing Prince Fielder, that is).

    And for those who would suggest a trade of Smoak to another team once we signed Fielder, well…we’d be selling really low.

    I’m fine with not getting Prince and using a Carp/Montero platoon at DH, which would allow for the following:

    1.  Keeping Mike Carp on the team, but limiting his time in the field, and by extension…
    2.  More ABs for Casper Wells, allowing us to see what we have in him, ultimately.
    3.  Allowing Justin Smoak to play 1B full time, and use Carp to backup him occassionally.

    So, our non-pitching part of the roster would be:

    C:Jaso and Olivo to start the season, with Olivo being traded midseason to make room for 1 of Moore/Gimenez.
    C/DH:  Montero
    1B:  Smoak
    2B:  Ackley
    SS:  Ryan
    3B:  Seager
    LF/4th OF:  Wells
    LF/DH:  Carp
    CF:  Gutierrez
    RF:  Ichiro!

    Bench:  2 of the above(backup C is one of Jaso/Olivo, 4th OF is Wells), plus Chone Figgins(assuming we can’t find a trading partner by Opening Day, which I doubt we will) to backup 3B, 2B, and the OF, plus one of Kawasaki or Luis Rodriguez to backup 2B and SS.

    That’s 13 players–which would leave room for 5 starting pitchers and 7 relievers.  :)

    • Anonymous

      I should clarify that the above scenario is the:

      “Don’t Get Prince Fielder, Montero is primarily a DH/3rd string catcher”.

      If the M’s think Montero is worth giving a significant look as a platoon catcher for at least 1 season–a reasonable bet, to be sure–then the above scenario would be altered and Miguel Olivo would be trade bait in the next 6-8 weeks, freeing up Montero to platoon directly with John Jaso in a L/R platoon.

      Then, there’s 1 more roster spot for the position players, and the M’s would move Mike Carp to DH and either:

      a.  Acquire another LF, such as Will Venable(as suggested by Dave Cameron).
      b.  Make Casper Wells the primary LF and give the 4th OF spot to Trayvon Robinson(or, less likely, Michael Saunders).

      That’s the “Don’t Get Prince Fielder, Montero is primarily a C” scenario which comes with its own problems.  ;)

      • http://twitter.com/TaylorRobot Taylor

        You’re aware that I DON’T want the Mariners to sign Fielder, right?  I was just describing the best-case scenario for if they did.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, Taylor, I got that.  ;)

          Just re-read what I wrote in the first sentence of my first comment:

          “And that, right there, is why I don’t think I want the M’s to sign Prince Fielder.”

          Emphasis on the “why I don’t think I want the M’s to sign Prince Fielder”.

          i.e. Since I don’t have my own blog, I was laying out my own reasoning for why it would be better to not get him.

          Sorry for not making that more clear.  :)

          • http://twitter.com/TaylorRobot Taylor

            Ah, okay!  I was worried I had been unclear in my post.  Problem solved!

  • Anonymous

    MadisonMariner makes the most sense to me.  I see Fielder as a high prospect albatross, an expensive one, a ridiculously expensive one.  I also have faith in Montero, Smoak and Carp to produce, as well as Wells and Guti.  Ichiro not so much, but I hope he proves me wrong.  Of course I have no professional qualifications to back up my opinions.  I never played organized baseball, not even Little League.  When I was the right age for LL it hadn’t been invented yet.  Hasn’t stopped me from mouthing off about the game though.

    • http://twitter.com/95MiracleMs Lance Miller

      This is where I just don’t understand Mariner fans (which I have been one for 34 years now). You don’t want your team to sign the best free agent hitter to be available, and at the right age, for several years and maybe for several years to come all because you don’t want your billionaire owner to dip into his cookie jar for some spare change?

      If you don’t want him because you don’t think he can help the team, then fine. But not wanting hm because he may be expensive for someone that can afford it makes no sense…and I know the argument will be that if we sign him we will be payroll poor for years to come which again is not true if ownership truly wanted to build a winner. If his price comes down to $20-$22M as mentioned right now, that is only $2-$4M more than what Ichiro has been getting.

      Just saying. Not trying to stir anything up.

  • Anonymous

    Lets be honest what we all wish is for a lineup that goes like this and by next season would seriously put us in playoff contention. 

    1. RF  Ichiro       2.5 WAR2. 2nd Ackley     4.5 WAR3. C Montero      4.5 WAR4. DH Fielder      6.0 WAR5. LF Carp          2.0 WAR6. 1st Smoak      2.0 WAR7. CF Guti          2.5 WAR8. 3rd Seager     1.5  WAR9. SS Ryan        2.0 WAR
    RotationFelix 6.0 WAR, Hultzen 4.0 WAR, Paxton 3.0 WAR, Iwakuma 2.5 WAR, Noesi 1.5 WAR,BullpenFurbush, Wilhemson, Delabar, Ruffin, Kelley, Sherril, League, 4.0 WAR

    BenchJaso, Figgins, Wells, Kawasaki, WAR 2.0

    Overall WAR for this team would be around 50.5 which would be 96 win team surprisingly if my projections are correct. Its all just an idea

  • Anonymous

    Why not Montero catching.(Can’t be any worse that Olivo) Smoak at 1st and Fielder DH. Keep all the bats in the lineup. Besides Fielder is a lefty and the ballpark is realatively shallow in right field. As for pitching. Seattle has more than they know what to do with.

    • http://twitter.com/95MiracleMs Lance Miller

      I have watched the likes of Rob Johnson, Moore, Olivo, and Gimenez behind the plate for us in the last few years while combining to hit about .200 with no great defensive presence to fall back on. So how can this kid be any worse? One of the best comparisons I have heard with Montero defensively is Javy Lopez. As I recall, Lopez had some great pitching staffs to work with in Atlanta and he didn’t hurt their stats or the teams winning percentage.

  • Anonymous

    I dunno why, but I’m still not a big believer in judging a player based on his weight. Call me old fashioned, but if memory serves me correctly, Babe Ruth wasn’t exactly the skinniest of fellow.

  • Anonymous

    The Bambino was not exactly svelte but he was a TOR pitcher before he started swatting too many homers to keep on the mound.  Fielder is nowhere near as good as Babe was.  One thing I’ve found in my 75 years is that you can not run away from your genes and Prince’s daddy was done after his age 31 season.  That would give us four years of value for Prince and then production worth about 1/4 of what he will be paid for however many more years he is taking up space on the bench.

    • Anonymous

      Wow maqman you really have no clue about how athletics work do you. The body functions as long as you take care of it and exercise, being fat has not stopped long careers of NFL lineman has it and besides Prince is the healthiest eater in Baseball. If Princes dad never played the game you would have never said this. Weight just doesnt matter in sports unless your trying to be fast and hitting does not take a great tole on the body anyways. 

      • http://twitter.com/TaylorRobot Taylor

        Let’s keep discussion friendly, please!

  • Alexander Neilson

    Don’t know if this was mentioned, but on top of Morse and LaRoche for the Nats, I was under the impression that they considered 1B to be Zimmerman’s eventual landing spot as well.