Quick Hits: Kotchman, Kelley, Snell

by ~ March 15th, 2010 at 10:04 am

Casey Kotchman hitting third?

Shannon Drayer writes that the coaching staff is thinking about hitting Kotchman third.

Casey Kotchman hitting third is something we could see a lot of. The coaches have been working with Kotchman on adjustments to free up his swing and while Wak is not asking for more power from him he is optimistic that he will be able to handle hitting third.

“With Ichiro and Figgy at the top of the line up getting on, Kotchman can move those guys even more. This gives you the affordability to push Milton back to the four hole and still get production out of the three. He gives you quality at bats and with that you can stack them four deep at least with guys you feel are going to give you real good at bats.”

While I don’t necessarily oppose the idea of Bradley getting bumped back a spot (though I’m more than fine with him at #3), Kotchman is not the type of guy I want hitting at the top of the lineup.  Good not great OBP, not much power, and as a slow groundball hitter, he hits into a lot of double plays.

The staff is trying to reverse his groundball trend, but I’d still feel more comfortable with him towards the end of the lineup where he is less likely to snuff a rally.

That said, the lineup is pretty weak against right handed pitching, so filling the middle of the order is easier said than done.

Shawn Kelley stretching out

In the above linked post, Drayer also mentions that the Mariners are working on stretching Shawn Kelley out. The implication from the blog post is that it’s just a move to give the bullpen more flexibility.  This would seem like a clear hint that the team is planning on going with an 11 man bullpen as expected.  That’s good to hear.

But Kelley was talking about being a starting pitcher, and he may have dropped some hints on radio (I didn’t hear it myself) that he wants to start in the big leagues.

I wouldn’t count on it, but it is interesting.  Kelley has good command, good fastball velocity, a good slider, and he throws a changeup, though we don’t know how good it is because he’s needed to use it so sparingly as a reliever.

I think that Kelley could have a shot at being a solid starter, which makes this intriguing given that Jason Vargas is the favorite to win the fifth spot in the rotation.

There are two things I’ll look at with Kelley the starter.  One, the changeup is key.  He only threw 11 of them last season, so the data doesn’t offer up very much.  It has to be a decent pitch for him to get the same lefties out multiple times per game.  Two, health.  Kelley had Tommy John surgery in college, and hit the DL in 2007 with an elbow strain after pitching about 140 innings between college and pro ball.  He’s been a reliever ever since that year and has avoided trouble, but I worry about how he would respond to pitching big innings again.  I don’t like his motion for starting.

But the chances of us seeing Kelley as a starter right now seem slim.  I like the idea of Kelley being able to pitch 2-3 innings in any given game, though.

Ian Snell is lovin’ it

Drayer writes in another post that Snell is feeling good.

Ian Snell made a second strong start going three innings, allowing one hit, no runs, one walk and two strikeouts. The performance left him giddy. Hey, I am just quoting him.

“I get giddy now, wanting to be out there.” Giddy, really? “Yeah, happy. Ready to go.”

Considering how unhappy he was about his time in Pittsburgh, this is good to hear.  This doesn’t necessarily mean anything as far as his performance goes, but it could.  If he’s happy and comfortable, he could be more receptive to tips from pitching coach Rick Adair, for example.  Just a thought…


  • http://bleedingblueandteal.com Scott Weber

    Kotchman hitting 3rd terrifies me. What an awful idea.

  • http://www.section331.com section331

    The idea of a “giddy” Ian Snell I will (and already have) pay good money for. Glad to hear he’s loosening up a bit.

  • http://proballnw.com Conor Dowley

    I do like Casey more than most it seems, but even I don’t think him hitting third is a very good idea…

  • http://marinerblue.wordpress.com/ 200tang

    If they think they’ve worked out kinks with Kotchman and he can avoid hitting so many groundballs then I’d be fine with it. The coaching staff knows more than I do, so it’s tough for me to say anything. However, just going off what I know I would rather have Gutierrez hitting 3rd and Lopez hitting 5th.

  • malcontent

    Kotchman at 3rd might not be an awful idea. His career OPS with men on is 70 points higher (.781 to .709 with none on), probably because he gets a lot more ground balls through the hole opened by the 1st baseman covering the bag, as well as being more patient. Of everybody on the team, Kotchman’s probably in the best position to benefit from that minor adjustment in the fielders, Lopez and Gutierrez don’t hit to the right side very well, and Griffey gets the shift. Kotchman is also the best contact hitter on the team (88.1% contact rate for his career) outside of Ichiro, so Wakamatsu is given the freedom to hit and run at will.

  • MarinerMan6

    Yeah, I don’t like Kotch hitting 3rd either. He’d be better off 6th or 7th in the lineup. I’d stick with Bradley, possibly hit Griffey 4th as DH.

    Vs. RHP
    1. Ichiro RF
    2. Figgins 2B/3B
    3. Bradley LF
    4. Griffey DH
    5. Lopez 3B/2B
    6. Kotchman 1B
    7. Gutierrez CF
    8. Pick a catcher
    9. Jack Wilson SS

    Other options include moving Bradley to DH and Langerhans to LF.

  • Coug1990

    Just for comparison sake, what were people saying last year (I cannot think back that far :) when Branyan was moved to the two hole?

  • eastcoastmariner

    Definitely some interesting developments worth mentioning that you touched on here Jon

    A couple other things I noticed were the tweets Morosi made about the M’s still looking at a backup catcher, interest in Washburn, and the fact that Garko has not definitely made this team over Sweeny yet

    • http://proballnw.com Jon

      Yes, my drafts folder is full too. Been pondering all three.

  • eastcoastmariner

    I’ll probably post something tomorrow morning on all three things Morosi mentioned unless you beat me to it (knowing you, my guess is you will haha)

  • Mekias

    I’m okay with Kotchman at #3 against right-handers because Guti can’t hit righties well and Lopez kills more rallies than he starts. It would also depend on if Griffey, Langerhans, or Garko was in the lineup that day. As sad as it is, Griffey is one of our better hitters against righties (although he wasn’t last year).