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	<title>Comments on: Ryan Rowland-Smith&#8217;s Lost Season</title>
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		<title>By: section331</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/07-2009/ryan-rowland-smiths-lost-season/comment-page-1/#comment-6203</link>
		<dc:creator>section331</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That leg plant looks painful, and this is possibly the saddest article I&#039;ve read all year.:/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That leg plant looks painful, and this is possibly the saddest article I&#8217;ve read all year.:/</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Boddy</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/07-2009/ryan-rowland-smiths-lost-season/comment-page-1/#comment-6201</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Boddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, if he LANDS on a stiff glove leg, that&#039;s different entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, if he LANDS on a stiff glove leg, that&#8217;s different entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link to this was cross posted over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://drivelinemechanics.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Driveline Mechanics&lt;/a&gt; and the owner of &lt;a href=&quot;http://texasleaguers.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Texas Leaguers&lt;/a&gt; added an interesting comment:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The loss of flexion would also create a large drop in velocity.  Whether or not a pitcher uses his triceps to extend his arm, the leverage and extension through the elbow joint can make a huge velocity difference. As extension decreases, the ball is accelerated for a shorter length of time, therefore velocity is lost.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So there&#039;s that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to this was cross posted over at <a href="http://drivelinemechanics.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/drivelinemechanics.com/?referer=');">Driveline Mechanics</a> and the owner of <a href="http://texasleaguers.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/texasleaguers.com/?referer=');">Texas Leaguers</a> added an interesting comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>The loss of flexion would also create a large drop in velocity.  Whether or not a pitcher uses his triceps to extend his arm, the leverage and extension through the elbow joint can make a huge velocity difference. As extension decreases, the ball is accelerated for a shorter length of time, therefore velocity is lost.</p></blockquote>
<p>So there&#8217;s that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Good stuff here, and I think you may be on to something w/r/t the supinated release.  It just seems like there is too many defects in RRS delivery for him to remain effective over a long period of time.

Kyle,

Although you are correct about the practical use of the knee, but it appears to me that although locking the knee is ok w/r/t the knee itself, it becomes counterproductive when associated with a pitching motion.  A fair percentage of forward momentum is lost when a pitcher plants the leading leg with the knee straight.  Just as Jon noted, to overcome this situation a pitcher has to compensate with added energy through the arm.

The combination of the stiff leg plant and the inverted W looks to me to be a quick way to the DL...

Lonnie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Good stuff here, and I think you may be on to something w/r/t the supinated release.  It just seems like there is too many defects in RRS delivery for him to remain effective over a long period of time.</p>
<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>Although you are correct about the practical use of the knee, but it appears to me that although locking the knee is ok w/r/t the knee itself, it becomes counterproductive when associated with a pitching motion.  A fair percentage of forward momentum is lost when a pitcher plants the leading leg with the knee straight.  Just as Jon noted, to overcome this situation a pitcher has to compensate with added energy through the arm.</p>
<p>The combination of the stiff leg plant and the inverted W looks to me to be a quick way to the DL&#8230;</p>
<p>Lonnie</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Boddy</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/07-2009/ryan-rowland-smiths-lost-season/comment-page-1/#comment-6198</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Boddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Another mechanical flaw that RRS possesses is his locked plant leg as he releases the ball.  It’s a flaw that many pitchers have that’ll make you cringe if you watch it frame by frame.  The problem with it is that it shoots a power surge back up through the body that scrubs much of the forward momentum and forces the pitcher to produce most of the velocity with his arm.  As you can imagine, pitchers with this defect often fall victim to arm injuries, especially in the shoulder.  Oh, and not to mention problems in the knee, hip and back.&quot;

I disagree with this assessment. ASMI notes: &quot;...[pitchers with] greater front knee stabilization and extension will throw with greater ball velocity.&quot; Furthermore, joints are meant to handle directly in-line forces like extension and flexion but are NOT meant to handle side-to-side movement (hence ACL ruptures/tears occuring on mostly sideways displacement unless hyperextension is achieved).

Overall, I don&#039;t much care if the pitcher &quot;locks out&quot; his glove leg. In sports science, extending the knee joint is the first step of an efficient push against the ground - we call it &quot;triple extension.&quot;

However, I find it very interesting that RRS has admitted to a loss of flexion in his pitching elbow. This is exactly what happens when you release pitches with a supinated grip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another mechanical flaw that RRS possesses is his locked plant leg as he releases the ball.  It’s a flaw that many pitchers have that’ll make you cringe if you watch it frame by frame.  The problem with it is that it shoots a power surge back up through the body that scrubs much of the forward momentum and forces the pitcher to produce most of the velocity with his arm.  As you can imagine, pitchers with this defect often fall victim to arm injuries, especially in the shoulder.  Oh, and not to mention problems in the knee, hip and back.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree with this assessment. ASMI notes: &#8220;&#8230;[pitchers with] greater front knee stabilization and extension will throw with greater ball velocity.&#8221; Furthermore, joints are meant to handle directly in-line forces like extension and flexion but are NOT meant to handle side-to-side movement (hence ACL ruptures/tears occuring on mostly sideways displacement unless hyperextension is achieved).</p>
<p>Overall, I don&#8217;t much care if the pitcher &#8220;locks out&#8221; his glove leg. In sports science, extending the knee joint is the first step of an efficient push against the ground &#8211; we call it &#8220;triple extension.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I find it very interesting that RRS has admitted to a loss of flexion in his pitching elbow. This is exactly what happens when you release pitches with a supinated grip.</p>
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