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	<title>Comments on: No Deals for Washburn or Ibanez</title>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/08-2008/no-deals-for-washburn-or-ibanez/comment-page-1/#comment-3367</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am no longer pumped to see feierabend in the rotation :/</description>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/08-2008/no-deals-for-washburn-or-ibanez/comment-page-1/#comment-3366</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw on ESPN fantasy baseball that feierabend is the starter for tomorrow&#039;s game.  Anyone else pumped to have more fresh blood to hopefully edge out one of the crappy veterans next year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw on ESPN fantasy baseball that feierabend is the starter for tomorrow&#8217;s game.  Anyone else pumped to have more fresh blood to hopefully edge out one of the crappy veterans next year?</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Shires</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/08-2008/no-deals-for-washburn-or-ibanez/comment-page-1/#comment-3365</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Shires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any way that Bedard is traded in the off-season. His value is absolutely shot due to his &quot;injuries&quot; (maybe we should CAT scan his head?). He will be dealt by July 31 though...

As for the Washburn being kept, I think it was Pelekoudas&#039; high asking price. There&#039;s no way that &quot;being a vet&quot; is what kept him in the rotation. Salary relief wasn&#039;t enough for him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any way that Bedard is traded in the off-season. His value is absolutely shot due to his &#8220;injuries&#8221; (maybe we should CAT scan his head?). He will be dealt by July 31 though&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the Washburn being kept, I think it was Pelekoudas&#8217; high asking price. There&#8217;s no way that &#8220;being a vet&#8221; is what kept him in the rotation. Salary relief wasn&#8217;t enough for him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rudolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>rudolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one that sees it this way?  Are the lot of us too hopeful?  Too desperate?  Too pissed off to look at the big picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one that sees it this way?  Are the lot of us too hopeful?  Too desperate?  Too pissed off to look at the big picture?</p>
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		<title>By: rudolf</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/08-2008/no-deals-for-washburn-or-ibanez/comment-page-1/#comment-3363</link>
		<dc:creator>rudolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mariner FO is afraid our rotation won&#039;t hold up in 2009 w/out Washburn or another proven vet starter, and that is why they won&#039;t give him away for salary relief.

There is a reasonable chance that Morrow will spend some or all of 2009 in AAA, as may Fierabend.  RRS is no guarantee to lock down a spot in the rotation, either.  Bedard may be traded in the off-season, and surely will be by July 31st.  The M&#039;s want to make sure we can get 27 outs a game for 162 games, and are leery about depending on kids to get the job done.
Washburn comes with a one year committment, one more year to get Morrow, Fierabend, and RRS up to speed as 33 start pitchers.  That&#039;s better than signing another mediocre pitcher to a multi-year contract, perhaps blocking one of our young starters in 2010 or beyond.

Washburn isn&#039;t that bad, and 2009 is going to be a rough year.  We aren&#039;t going to buy enough free-agents to contend next year, and if for some ungodly reason we do, we&#039;ll lose anyway.  If we do trade him in the off-season, we&#039;ll surely get a major league ready starter in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mariner FO is afraid our rotation won&#8217;t hold up in 2009 w/out Washburn or another proven vet starter, and that is why they won&#8217;t give him away for salary relief.</p>
<p>There is a reasonable chance that Morrow will spend some or all of 2009 in AAA, as may Fierabend.  RRS is no guarantee to lock down a spot in the rotation, either.  Bedard may be traded in the off-season, and surely will be by July 31st.  The M&#8217;s want to make sure we can get 27 outs a game for 162 games, and are leery about depending on kids to get the job done.<br />
Washburn comes with a one year committment, one more year to get Morrow, Fierabend, and RRS up to speed as 33 start pitchers.  That&#8217;s better than signing another mediocre pitcher to a multi-year contract, perhaps blocking one of our young starters in 2010 or beyond.</p>
<p>Washburn isn&#8217;t that bad, and 2009 is going to be a rough year.  We aren&#8217;t going to buy enough free-agents to contend next year, and if for some ungodly reason we do, we&#8217;ll lose anyway.  If we do trade him in the off-season, we&#8217;ll surely get a major league ready starter in return.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Shires</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/08-2008/no-deals-for-washburn-or-ibanez/comment-page-1/#comment-3362</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Shires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix and Silva are the only guarentees to finish out 2009 in my opinion.

Batista can&#039;t doesn&#039;t have anything left, and RRS and Morrow have more talent in their pubic hair than Batista has in his entire body.

Bedard will be dealt before July 31, easily. That way, we get as much in return as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix and Silva are the only guarentees to finish out 2009 in my opinion.</p>
<p>Batista can&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t have anything left, and RRS and Morrow have more talent in their pubic hair than Batista has in his entire body.</p>
<p>Bedard will be dealt before July 31, easily. That way, we get as much in return as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol..And yet, DrivinDave&#039;s latest stumble is nothing in comparison to what Lee just did to this team.  
Why in the world did we not dump Wash when we had the chance?  Is it because he&#039;s an outstanding pinch runner when we run out of people on the  bench?  

This season is LOST.  We need to make the youth movement now so that there are a few less growing pains next year if at all possible...
Or maybe next year our rotation can be..

King Felix
Erik Bedard (for maybe 5-6 starts before he turns Nancy on us)
Washed up
Batista
Silva

This rotation sure turned us into contenders this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol..And yet, DrivinDave&#8217;s latest stumble is nothing in comparison to what Lee just did to this team.<br />
Why in the world did we not dump Wash when we had the chance?  Is it because he&#8217;s an outstanding pinch runner when we run out of people on the  bench?  </p>
<p>This season is LOST.  We need to make the youth movement now so that there are a few less growing pains next year if at all possible&#8230;<br />
Or maybe next year our rotation can be..</p>
<p>King Felix<br />
Erik Bedard (for maybe 5-6 starts before he turns Nancy on us)<br />
Washed up<br />
Batista<br />
Silva</p>
<p>This rotation sure turned us into contenders this year.</p>
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		<title>By: drivindave</title>
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		<dc:creator>drivindave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goodness this is discouraging.What you think would be commonsense GM positioning has become unforgivable blundering.We all took a step backward today, on our way to recovery we just had to walk buy the Liquor store didnt we?

Calling up our prospects,firing whom we fired,all steps forward......this..arrggg I just dont see any logic in this.We could have added room for Fierbend and RRS with Washy going bye bye and free up lots of money.Well crap on a stick....

You should read the venom on USS and Lookout Landing wow they are pissed and I can&#039;t say as I blame them.

Aahhh if only we could run the M&#039;s for awhile but alas that day is not this day...

..DrivinDave walks across the street opens the door to the Liquor store pauses for a second to ponder about going forward..then memorys of the days debacle reigns in....
..DrivinDave is later seen completly inebriated stumbling down 1st ave naked screaming,&quot;Damn you Lee, Damn you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness this is discouraging.What you think would be commonsense GM positioning has become unforgivable blundering.We all took a step backward today, on our way to recovery we just had to walk buy the Liquor store didnt we?</p>
<p>Calling up our prospects,firing whom we fired,all steps forward&#8230;&#8230;this..arrggg I just dont see any logic in this.We could have added room for Fierbend and RRS with Washy going bye bye and free up lots of money.Well crap on a stick&#8230;.</p>
<p>You should read the venom on USS and Lookout Landing wow they are pissed and I can&#8217;t say as I blame them.</p>
<p>Aahhh if only we could run the M&#8217;s for awhile but alas that day is not this day&#8230;</p>
<p>..DrivinDave walks across the street opens the door to the Liquor store pauses for a second to ponder about going forward..then memorys of the days debacle reigns in&#8230;.<br />
..DrivinDave is later seen completly inebriated stumbling down 1st ave naked screaming,&#8221;Damn you Lee, Damn you!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Shires</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/08-2008/no-deals-for-washburn-or-ibanez/comment-page-1/#comment-3359</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Shires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seatownsports*
Pelekoudas last his chance at GM on July 31. This just strengths that argument.

Rob T.*
I have to agree. Except in one way, and that is the lingerind affects of the current ownership and front office. Selling 80% of the team/farm and completely doing a Billy Beane type firesale is the only way. The damage has been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seatownsports*<br />
Pelekoudas last his chance at GM on July 31. This just strengths that argument.</p>
<p>Rob T.*<br />
I have to agree. Except in one way, and that is the lingerind affects of the current ownership and front office. Selling 80% of the team/farm and completely doing a Billy Beane type firesale is the only way. The damage has been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob T.</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/08-2008/no-deals-for-washburn-or-ibanez/comment-page-1/#comment-3358</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Twins did not block washburn. They actually wanted him and tried to trade for him according to Baker but of course Lee asked for one of there good pitching prospects in return. I hate this team and there is no hope until the M&#039;s are sold to Larson and Gillick becomes president. I have never seen a team have absolutely no clue how to build a roster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Twins did not block washburn. They actually wanted him and tried to trade for him according to Baker but of course Lee asked for one of there good pitching prospects in return. I hate this team and there is no hope until the M&#8217;s are sold to Larson and Gillick becomes president. I have never seen a team have absolutely no clue how to build a roster.</p>
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		<title>By: seatownsports</title>
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		<dc:creator>seatownsports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lee pelekoudas lost his chance at GM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lee pelekoudas lost his chance at GM</p>
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