Comments on: Top 25 Seattle Mariners Prospects, 8/09 http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/ aka Bleeding Blue and Teal - a Seattle Mariners blog Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:43:17 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mariners121212 http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6507 Mariners121212 Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:05:58 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6507 I agree about Gillies I would but him ahead of Aumont(the reliever, not as a starter). I agree about Gillies I would but him ahead of Aumont(the reliever, not as a starter).

]]> By: g_money http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6506 g_money Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:27:59 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6506 Terrific list. There are always gonna be slots that people can argue about, but I appreciate you putting this out there for us to at least have the conversation. It's a great list for reference and discussion as we head toward the minor league offseason. I appreciate it - even if I disagree on Liddi and a coupla others. ;) ~G Terrific list. There are always gonna be slots that people can argue about, but I appreciate you putting this out there for us to at least have the conversation. It’s a great list for reference and discussion as we head toward the minor league offseason.

I appreciate it – even if I disagree on Liddi and a coupla others. ;)

~G

]]> By: Lonnie http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6500 Lonnie Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:51:25 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6500 Dustin Shires sez: "Greg Halman puzzles me. He’s got the upside to be a 1 or 2 on this list, but the risk to place him even lower than you did. It don’t get him." Yogi said: "Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical." Halman has all the physical tools, of that there is no question. What he lacks is the mental discipline to put all the tools together, or perhaps even the mental ability to do it. The only way that Halman ever gets a sniff of a MLB locker room is if he one day takes a tour. I firmly believe that he does not have the mental capacity to realize his full potential. Lonnie Dustin Shires sez:
“Greg Halman puzzles me. He’s got the upside to be a 1 or 2 on this list, but the risk to place him even lower than you did. It don’t get him.”

Yogi said: “Baseball is 90% mental — the other half is physical.”

Halman has all the physical tools, of that there is no question. What he lacks is the mental discipline to put all the tools together, or perhaps even the mental ability to do it.

The only way that Halman ever gets a sniff of a MLB locker room is if he one day takes a tour. I firmly believe that he does not have the mental capacity to realize his full potential.

Lonnie

]]> By: Lonnie http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6499 Lonnie Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:42:17 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6499 Jon sez: "Lonnie– I’d love to hear what tweaks you’d make, unless you’re holding out for an MC post." I'm actually putting together the wireframe for an end of year report, but it is going to be different from what you have here. The big problem that I have in compiling a list like this is that I tend to rank more with my heart than with my head. I love what Liddi is doing down in HD and I like the fact that he's from Italy where there is a fledgling league. It would be stupid of me to use that as part of a ranking scenario, but I probably subconsciously would :) I also would probably put too much emphasis on production since that is the one metric that is readily available to all of us. Something else that weighs heavily with me is mental maturity. I tend to think of a player with so-so stuff who is performing well because of his maturity as being better than a prospect who is struggling. Here's an apples to trout comparison. I think that Cheyne Hann has a better chance of becoming a good MLB player over Greg Halman. I base this on some interviews I listened to over at http://lumberkings.mlblogs.com/ In the interview you can hear Hann's maturity in his voice, and he backs it up with production. The same goes for Andrew Carraway. Does that mean that either of these guys is going to put on the big clubs uniform? No, it just means that that is the way that I roll. During ST I got to talk a bit with Doogie Fister and I came away from it with a good idea of his maturity and of his intelligence. I had a feeling from those few minutes that he was going to do something good this year. Lonnie Jon sez:
“Lonnie– I’d love to hear what tweaks you’d make, unless you’re holding out for an MC post.”

I’m actually putting together the wireframe for an end of year report, but it is going to be different from what you have here.

The big problem that I have in compiling a list like this is that I tend to rank more with my heart than with my head. I love what Liddi is doing down in HD and I like the fact that he’s from Italy where there is a fledgling league. It would be stupid of me to use that as part of a ranking scenario, but I probably subconsciously would :)

I also would probably put too much emphasis on production since that is the one metric that is readily available to all of us.

Something else that weighs heavily with me is mental maturity. I tend to think of a player with so-so stuff who is performing well because of his maturity as being better than a prospect who is struggling.

Here’s an apples to trout comparison. I think that Cheyne Hann has a better chance of becoming a good MLB player over Greg Halman. I base this on some interviews I listened to over at http://lumberkings.mlblogs.com/ In the interview you can hear Hann’s maturity in his voice, and he backs it up with production. The same goes for Andrew Carraway. Does that mean that either of these guys is going to put on the big clubs uniform? No, it just means that that is the way that I roll.

During ST I got to talk a bit with Doogie Fister and I came away from it with a good idea of his maturity and of his intelligence. I had a feeling from those few minutes that he was going to do something good this year.

Lonnie

]]> By: Slurve http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6498 Slurve Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:25:11 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6498 In other words Nick Franklin better learn power har har... Kyle Seager might be one of my favorites more BB than SO and gap power type guy that plays 2nd. I always imagine Raben and Poythress in the middle of our line-up it'd be so intimidating to pitchers coming up and having to face batters built like trees one after the other. Cleto is extremely raw still but touches 96 and flashes a good breaking ball every now and then. Hurry up and show power Saunders I love your bunts but just hit one out! In other words Nick Franklin better learn power har har…

Kyle Seager might be one of my favorites more BB than SO and gap power type guy that plays 2nd. I always imagine Raben and Poythress in the middle of our line-up it’d be so intimidating to pitchers coming up and having to face batters built like trees one after the other.

Cleto is extremely raw still but touches 96 and flashes a good breaking ball every now and then.

Hurry up and show power Saunders I love your bunts but just hit one out!

]]> By: SABR Matt http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6497 SABR Matt Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:12:01 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6497 The only player on this list that I have to complain about a bit is Tyson Gillies. I would have him in the top 15, not down at 23. I'd put him ahead of Kelley, Morban, Fields, Martinez, Jones, Carp and Cleto without question. Cleto hasn't done diddly since joining Seattle, Carp is less useful outside of first base/DH, Jones is extremely raw, Martinez ditto, Fields and Kelley have reliever upside and Morban isn't anywhere close to being ready...GIllies, profiling as a CFer and lead-off hitter, reminds me quite a bit of Kenny Lofton, and I think has a much MUCH higher chance of being a big leaguer than anyone from 15 to 22 on your list with the exception of Carp. The only player on this list that I have to complain about a bit is Tyson Gillies. I would have him in the top 15, not down at 23. I’d put him ahead of Kelley, Morban, Fields, Martinez, Jones, Carp and Cleto without question. Cleto hasn’t done diddly since joining Seattle, Carp is less useful outside of first base/DH, Jones is extremely raw, Martinez ditto, Fields and Kelley have reliever upside and Morban isn’t anywhere close to being ready…GIllies, profiling as a CFer and lead-off hitter, reminds me quite a bit of Kenny Lofton, and I think has a much MUCH higher chance of being a big leaguer than anyone from 15 to 22 on your list with the exception of Carp.

]]> By: Dustin Shires http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6495 Dustin Shires Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:28:40 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6495 I know I've talked to you about this before, but it might as well hit the public. Greg Halman puzzles me. He's got the upside to be a 1 or 2 on this list, but the risk to place him even lower than you did. It don't get him. I know I’ve talked to you about this before, but it might as well hit the public.
Greg Halman puzzles me. He’s got the upside to be a 1 or 2 on this list, but the risk to place him even lower than you did. It don’t get him.

]]> By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6494 Jon Shields Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:10:10 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6494 Lonnie-- I'd love to hear what tweaks you'd make, unless you're holding out for an MC post. Lonnie– I’d love to hear what tweaks you’d make, unless you’re holding out for an MC post.

]]> By: Lonnie http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6493 Lonnie Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:02:14 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6493 Hey Jon, Pretty gutsy post. I too have one or two of these stored on my 'puter waiting for me to grow a pair to post :) I can't find anything wrong with your rankings. I may switch a couple of guys around and maybe kick one guy up from your list that didn't make the 25 cut, but all in all it looks pretty good to me. Lonnie Hey Jon,

Pretty gutsy post. I too have one or two of these stored on my ‘puter waiting for me to grow a pair to post :)

I can’t find anything wrong with your rankings. I may switch a couple of guys around and maybe kick one guy up from your list that didn’t make the 25 cut, but all in all it looks pretty good to me.

Lonnie

]]> By: gregrabble http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6492 gregrabble Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:56:02 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6492 Great stuff, thanks for this. Great stuff, thanks for this.

]]> By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6491 Jon Shields Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:40:07 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6491 ^I must have put in Everett preseason when I was first starting the draft and guessing where guys would start. Not sure why I'd do that otherwise. Thanks for the heads up.. will fix. ^I must have put in Everett preseason when I was first starting the draft and guessing where guys would start. Not sure why I’d do that otherwise. Thanks for the heads up.. will fix.

]]> By: jking12 http://www.proballnw.com/08-2009/seattle-mariners-top-25-prospects-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6490 jking12 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:23:55 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1351#comment-6490 Isn't Noriega in Pulaski, not Everett? Isn’t Noriega in Pulaski, not Everett?

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