Daren Brown: Mariners’ Manager?

by ~ August 20th, 2010 at 8:15 am

With the Mariners winning three straight series under the tutelage of interim manager Daren Brown, there’s a growing movement among the fanbase to remove the “interim” tag and make Brown the M’s full-time manager.  This isn’t something I’m necessarily opposed to, but I’d rather the team took their time and had a proper interview process first.  Before that happens, however, let’s take a look at Brown’s history and some reasons why he would, or would not, make a good fit for the M’s as a manger.

Brown  has been a manager since 1999, getting his start with the Amarillo Dillas, an independent league team.  He had actually pitched for the same team for four years prior after failing to ever make the Major Leagues (he was drafted by Toronto in the 29th round of the 1989 draft).  He managed in Amarillo, where he still lives today, for two years before the Mariners hired him to coach in their minor league system.  First assigned as the manager of the single-A San Bernardino Stampede in 2001, he took his team to the playoffs for two straight years before the M’s changed their affiliates.  Re-tasked to manage the low-A Wisconsin Timber Rattlers in 2003, Brown’s team again earned a playoff spot after finishing the first half of their season with the best record in their league, and finishing the year just over .500 on a whole.

In 2004, Brown was promoted to lead the high-A Inland Empire club, and would once again earn a playoff berth (noticing a pattern yet?).  In fact, Brown earned a distinction that year as the only manager in the whole of the Mariner organization to do so.  He would stay with Inland Empire for one more season before moving onwards and upwards to AA Stan Antonio to manager the Missions in what would be a miserable season across the M’s system as the system had been slowly gutted over the years, and the new talent coming in generally wasn’t up to the same snuff as the prospects they were replacing.

That didn’t hold Brown back, however, as the organization was still impressed enough with him to assign him to the Tacoma Rainiers starting in 2007, where he lead some impressive teams up until his summons to be the interim manager in Seattle just over a week and a half ago.  Probably the highlight of Brown’s tenure with the Rainiers was leading the club to a dramatic late season surge that lead to a division championship and post-season birth in 2009, with it literally coming down to the final inning of the final game before before their playoff spot was secured.

All in all, Brown has had a very solid resume.  For those who just care about results, he has won virtually everywhere he’s gone, which is impressive given the ever-shifting talent landscape of minor league baseball, where a team can look completely different from one month to the next.  For people who are concerned with chemistry, Brown is also your man.  His clubhouses have always been described as loose environments with well-bonded team-mates, and notable issues have been few and far between.

Tactically, he’s always shown a remarkable ability to shift gears to fit whatever fits his current roster best, and is very flexible with his lineups depending on the pitcher and team being faced.  Those are more important traits for a minor league manager than one in the majors, but they are certainly not without merit at the highest level of the game.  Brown has also coached a remarkably large number of the M’s top prospects, so his familiarity with the players, especially their strengths and weaknesses, can only serve to help him.

The biggest drawback with Brown is one of experience at the highest level.  Yes, he’s been a manager for over ten years, and yes, he’s been at AAA since 2007, but until he was named the interim manager of the Mariners, he hadn’t spent one day in the major leagues, as a player or otherwise.  Not one.  How important that factor is to how well Brown can succeed is one of some debate; there have certainly been other managers who succeeded in spite of never being a major league player.  Jim Leyland, Fredi Gonzalez, and Joe Maddon are all managers that have had varying amounts of success despite never having been on a big-league roster.  It is, however, certainly something to at least think about as the process goes on.

The argument could also be made that because of Brown’s significant experience as a player-developing manager, his value would be higher to the organization by returning to Tacoma in 2011.  I’m not sure how much merit such an argument holds, but it’s certainly something worth considering.

Most importantly at the moment, however, is to not put too much stock into Brown winning three series to start his career as a major league manager.  Three series is a ridiculously tiny sample size, especially for something as subjective as managerial performance.  If you want to judge Brown’s managerial candidacy, to it based on the merits of his career prior to his promotion, not based on what he does as the interim manager.  That doesn’t mean that you should totally ignore what he does the rest of the year, but it shouldn’t be at the top of your list by a long shot.

While Brown certainly seems to, at least on the surface, be a viable candidate to manage the M’s in 2011 and beyond, there have been a few others identified as potential candidates.  Let’s take a quick moment and look at some of them:

  • Bobby Valentine has been at the top of most people’s lists since Don Wakamatsu was fired.  Believed to be a candidate for the Mariners’ job before Wak was originally hired, Valentine spent the last several years managing the Chiba Lotte Marines of the Japanese League to fairly significant success.  He’s had two prior stints as an MLB manager, leading the New York Mets from 1996 to 2002, and the Texas Rangers from 1985-1992.  He had mixed success in those days, taking the Mets to the World Series in 2000 before falling to the Yankees among several other playoff berths, but also lead several teams that melted down and at times had contentious relations with his front offices, most notably while with the Mets.  Valentine’s Japanese experience certainly should give him a leg up with the primarily Japanese ownership group in Seattle (if that even matters in the end), and the fact that he actually ended his playing career as a Mariner in 1979 is also something that probably won’t hurt him.
  • Fredi Gonzalez is another name that gets bandied about some, and could be a very interesting candidate.  His tenure with the Marlins was certainly a rocky one at times, but you certainly cannot deny that he got a lot more out of that club than anyone expected him to.  Given that the M’s are largely expected to be in some sort of rebuilding phase in 2011, that certainly makes him an attractive target.  However, Gonzalez is commonly being attached to the Atlanta Braves as Bobby Cox’s successor after this season, so it’s debatable whether or not the M’s would even have a shot at him.
  • Buried in the middle of this story is an interesting name starting to be attached to the M’s search.  Ted Simmons is currently the bench coach of the San Diego Padres, and only has three seasons of coaching experience despite being 61 years old, but has a long history of working with Jack Zduriencik with both the Pirates and Brewers.  He is also apparently being talked about as a major part of why the Padres have met with so much more success than anyone had anticipated they could.  I don’t know much about Simmons myself, but it certainly sounds as though his is a name to keep tucked away as this process rolls on.

  • maqman

    I like Brown, his track record and familiarity with the players and organization are solid plus factors. It seems to me that so far nobody has criticized any of the team’s managerial moves, when with Wak it seemed that people were complaining about one move or anther quite frequently. There is no need to rush to a judgement but he’s looking good to me so far. I like the idea of Bryan Price getting an interview, he did a good job with the Ms pitchers while he was with the Ms and is now the Red’s bench coach. He was and I presume still is well respected and should have gotten the job when Melvin was hired in my opinion.

    • http://twitter.com/c_dowley Conor Dowley

      Ehh, there have been a few lineup type things that have been criticized some (Lopez still batting cleanup, for example), but there haven’t been many glaring issues so far.

      I’d forgotten to include Price on the list, but I certainly think he merits an interview as well. He seems to have continued to make a good career for himself since the end of his M’s tenure, and I wouldn’t mind seeing him back here at all.

  • lecP-Soq

    Fist off.. Very impressed with the blog, ran into it a couple weeks ago and now check it almost daily. Perfect length, with great information (without being moody on whether the team/player is wining/losing/playing poor). Now, all i really know about Brown is what i just read above, but i always think it is a good idea to keep guys that win in the clubhouse. Which seems to be what Brown is, just a winner. But i don’t think we should jump to conclusion on the 3 series wins, after all they came against Baltimore, Cleveland, and Oakland (two last place teams). Let’s just hope it continues.

    • http://twitter.com/c_dowley Conor Dowley

      Thanks, glad to hear you like the place.

      I didn’t mean to make it sound as though I was jumping to conclusions at all, and had actually meant to include something that said that you shouldn’t based on three series wins (this is why you shouldn’t write when you should be sleeping!). Now that you have reminded me, I’ll go put that in now…

  • Laruuk

    I’ve been a Tacoma season ticket holder for three years now and Brown did a great job with the ever-shifting roster in Tacoma. I certainly agree that you can’t judge his viability as the Manager for the M’s based on three series, but there seems to be a different ‘vibe’ to the M’s since he took over.

    Two weeks ago, I’d have classified some of the players as lackadaisical, but now they seem to have more fire to win games.

    Did Brown do that all on his own? Doubtful. Is he a part of the reason? Definitely.

    • http://twitter.com/c_dowley Conor Dowley

      Reading what the sportswriters that cover the M’s have been saying, and after talking to a couple of them, I’d say that a big part of the improved mood was Wak getting fired. I don’t mean that in a “they hated Wak” way (though some certainly didn’t love him), but given the way the season had been going, it was a near certainty that Wak would be tossed, and the wait for it to happen was weighing on the clubhouse. Now that it’s happened, they’ve relaxed and are just playing again.

  • mw3

    BROWN IS WAK.

    He bunts too much, he doesn’t understand lineup construction and he is not that good at managing his bullpen. The only difference is that Brown has gotten luckier with his results, when that luck crashes back to earth all the incorrect decisions he has made will stand out more and he will hopefully go back to Tacoma where he belongs.

    The funny thing is that in Tacoma he is much more aggressive and I liked him a lot more. But sure enough he gets to MLB and he goes all conservative by the book manager on us. When he is ready to be the aggressive take no prisoners manager in Seattle that he is in Tacoma, I would be fine with him as manager. Until then, no way.

    I have to admit that I am intrigued by Ted Simmons. He could be the type of guy that makes Z look like a genious. And if in two years he is not succeeding the team can cut him loose.

    • http://twitter.com/c_dowley Conor Dowley

      I agree that Brown has been bunting a bit too frequently and that his lineups have been occasionally curious, but I think if you look a bit closely you’ll notice that his more “normal” tactics are starting to slowly come out in the team. I believe he’s likely been gently easing the team to his thinking somewhat, as there’s no point in making the players uncomfortable by making them suddenly change gears in the middle of a lost season.

  • mw3

    This is completely off topic but it almost made me vomit and I wanted to share my pain.

    Yuniesky Betancourt has three grand slams in the 2010 season.

    I hate him now more than ever.

  • FelixFanChris420

    IMO, Tui playing LF in Baltimore and Saunders sitting, while Lopez and Kotch continued to get AB’s disqualifies Brown from consideration for the full time gig. I get wanting to give Tui some reps, but give him those reps at 3rd or 1st and at the cost of guys who have absoutely no part in our future.

    • http://twitter.com/c_dowley Conor Dowley

      With the exception of Friday in New York, Saunders was sitting because his shoulder injury flared up during the first game in Baltimore. I wouldn’t read too much into that at this point.

  • http://proballnw.com Dustin Shires

    I’m not a big believer in managers having a massive impact on a season to begin with. Brown is taking over the same flawed, risk-filled team that Wak had.

    Bobby Valentine isn’t going to turn this team into an 85 win team will. Neither will Daren Brown. Regression, and a better roster, will though. Who cares who the manager is? If the players on the field perform, the clubhouse will be fun and happy and full of joy, and the next manager will keep his job.

    • http://twitter.com/c_dowley Conor Dowley

      It’s certainly debatable how much of an impact a manager has on a season as a whole. You can ask ten people that question and get ten completely different answers. Myself, I think that a manager has some game-to-game impact, but not a huge one on a whole.

      That said, this is a site about the Seattle Mariners organization, it’s a very relevant topic at the moment, and I’ve been getting lots of questions on Brown lately. So why not talk about it?

  • http://baseballhittingtipsonline.blogspot.com/ baseballhittingtips

    I would really like to hear what the players are saying about Brown. Do they like playing for him and like his style? Do players respect him?

    • http://twitter.com/c_dowley Conor Dowley

      I can’t recall any direct quotes on that subject since he was made the interim manager, but here’s a quick something to think on:

      At last count, done about a week or so ago, there were 14 or 15 players on the 25-man roster that Brown had coached in the minors at some point or another, and every report I’ve ever read on his minor league career indicates that he had the utmost respect of the young men on his teams.