Confusion Surrounds Lueke’s Acquisition

by ~ September 3rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm

By now you may have read or read about Geoff Baker’s article about the acquisition of Josh Lueke and the apparent disconnect between Mariners then-pitching coach Rick Adair, GM Jack Zduriencik, President Chuck Armstrong and Rangers GM Jon Daniels with regards to the felony charges, jail time and baseball suspension Lueke and the Rangers dealt with in 2009.  In case you do not remember, Lueke faced two rape charges before pleading no contest to a lesser crime (false imprisonment) as part of a plea deal that year.

Before we start breaking down the actual “he said, she said” I wanted to address some fans out there who are upset by the article.  Many of you have been chastising Baker for bringing up this story again, opening old wounds and keeping this dark cloud over the heads of Lueke and the Mariners.  It’s bad for the team!

Don’t be silly.  Yes, the team would be better off if this would just go away, but Baker does not work for the Mariners.  It is not his job to make the Mariners look good.  It is his job to report on the team while helping bring traffic to the Seattle Times website and sell their newspapers.  In that regard he did a helluva job.  His article featured fair, straight forward and interesting reporting while gaining national attention.

Back to the Lueke story.  Here’s what we knew coming in: When the Cliff Lee trade went down, thousands of beat writers, bloggers and fans quickly found out via a simple Google search about Lueke’s incident.  This became a point of interest for obvious reasons and the stories began pumping out.  Armstrong was apparently blindsided by this information, stating that he was “not aware” of the rape charges prior to the acquisition.  Armstrong, as president of a club that is heavily invested in Refuse to Abuse and has shown zero tolerance in the past with this sort of thing (Julio Mateo), was understandably upset.

Upset enough to demand Zduriencik to get Lueke out of the deal, as we learned in Baker’s more recent writeup (which you should go read to get further context, detailed account of what happened to Lueke, and quotes).  And the Rangers weren’t necessarily opposed to this.  Based on Zduriencik’s comments, it seems as though Daniels downplayed the Lueke situation a bit, and that he said Lueke had been acquitted, exonerated, cleared, or whatever– which simply was not the case.  I can understand how a slip of the tongue could lead to that misunderstanding.  Again, Lueke took a plea bargain that helped him escape the rape charges in exchange for a false imprisonment charge, which helped him close the book on the case as he had already spent more time in jail awaiting trial than he wound up being sentenced.

Lueke couldn’t simply be swapped out by the time Armstrong and Zduriencik caught on, however, but Daniels offered to take Lueke back in a separate trade, an offer that reportedly still stands.

As if that wasn’t messy enough, Adair, who knows Lueke and other Ranger prospects from his time working in the Ranger farm system, claimed to have warned Zduriencik of Lueke’s off-field trouble.  Zduriencik denied this, saying his conversations with Adair only included on-field ability.  Adair is also quoted as saying Lueke’s arrest was “common knowledge”.  Well, it should have been.

What does this all mean?  Yeesh.

First of all, can the Mariners send Lueke back if they want?  It’s not that simple.  Sending him back means coming to terms with division rival Texas on another player to take his place.  Even if Daniels feels like he goofed by saying Lueke was “acquitted” (or whatever he said), he’s not just going to roll over and give the Mariners a good player.  Besides, off-field issues aside, Lueke is a guy Zduriencik presumably wanted who figures to play a big role on the Mariners next season if he isn’t sent away.

And maybe he will be.  I have wondered since the trade if Armstrong might order Lueke away, perhaps thrown into an offseason trade or something.  Or maybe they’ll move past it.  Lueke was flown in to Seattle to meet with Armstrong and Zduriencik.  Armstrong has reportedly met with Refuse to Abuse about the situation.  Perhaps Lueke will get a shot.  We’ll see.

Also since the first “Armstrong unhappy” reports I’ve wondered if Zduriencik might have known more than he is willing to let on.  Is he trying to cover his tracks while keeping a player that he really wants?  Maybe.  Or maybe he really didn’t know.  No one except Adair is accusing Zduriencik of knowing the situation, and even Adair’s comments leave one to wonder how straight forward he was with Zduriencik.  If Adair thought it was “common knowledge” perhaps he only alluded to it.  And if he only alluded to it, perhaps he though Zduriencik knew what he was talking about, when Zduriencik only knew what Daniels had told him about Lueke getting arrested following a bar incident and being acquitted.

But when it comes down to it, it doesn’t matter whether Zduriencik knew or not.  He should have known.  It was the first thing that popped up on a Google search at the time of the trade.  How does a team miss that?  (For what it’s worth, Zduriencik says that it is now the team’s policy to perform internet searches on any player they’re interested in.)  And that question leads to the “fire Zduriencik” talk, which is… tiring.

In the end there is no way of knowing , but it still makes an interesting drama in a season full of them.

What a mess.  This team is a mess.  Here’s to a drama free offseason! (Yeah, right.)

Jeff Sullivan and Rob Neyer are among those who have weighed in on the most recent chapter of this Mariners-Lueke saga, so check them out as well.


  • SABR Matt

    This was MOST CERTAINLY not FAIR reporting, Jon. This isn’t an attack on you…I have always enjoyed your site’s commentary immensely. But it’s factually inaccurate to portray that article as fair reporting. He didn’t give Lueke the tiniest bit of a chance to defend himself against some of the harsh language in his piece…he did no investigation of Lueke’s teammates, former coaches, etc…this was not just fair reporting…this was a HIT PIECE.

    Find the reasoned commentary of many Mariner fans who thought this piece was disgraceful at marinercentral.com

  • harrison

    I have to agree with Matt. I love this site and the different authors. The majority of what everyone writes I’m near 90% in agreement, but Bakers piece was an absloute slam. He had Lueke in his target and pulled the trigger.

    I’m not a for or against Geoff Baker… I really am neutral towards him. But, that article was trash in my opinion. As a Mariner fan and as someone who is very excited about Josh Lueke I really was disappointed about how the article was approached and executed.

  • Coug1990

    Perspective is a funny thing. Some local fans are up in arms about the story that Baker wrote. The national perspective is that it was a fair article.

    To Matt, if he were to interview Lueke’s teammates and coaches and they all told what a great teammate or pupil he was, would that have been a more fair article? Then it would have also been fair to interview the the woman’s friends and family. I guarantee you they would not tell the same happy story that Lueke’s teammates would tell.

  • SABR Matt

    coug’s post completely and totally misses the point.

    Journalists are not supposed to slant things…Baker, for example, used the phrase “Lueke was facing charges of rape” when discussing the particulars of the deal and events around it. Lueke was not in fact facing charges of rape…Lueke HAD FACED charges…subtle things like that slant the message in a very specific way…designed to get readers to behave as though Lueke had not paid the price for his crime.

    As well, the article was supposed to be about whether team officials new certain details about Lueke’s history and when they knew them…not about whether what Lueke did was bad. We all know what Lueke did was bad, though I place half the blame on the victim in this case, since she was the one getting absolutely plastered with a bunch of young ballplayers and making out with half the bar before she agreed to go home with Lueke and passed out in his bed (and quite possibly started the sex act before she did pass out…later having no memory of it because she was too wasted).

    The reason Baker needed to hear Lueke’s side of the story has nothing to do with his past crime…it has EVERYTHING to do with the person he is *NOW*…the person Jack Zduriencik traded for. People can change…there’s every indication from Lueke’s personal web pages and his conduct since returning to baseball that he has in fact changed…Z didn’t trade for an unrepentant rapist…he traded for a man trying to recover from a stupid…stupid mistake…a man who HE RESEARCHED with Texas officials and determined was a model teammate.

    Baker didn’t tell that story…his only goal was to “get” Lueke. A fair piece would not have been limited to mentioning that his victim was afraid to sleep in the dark and needed therapy. If true…that’s very unfortunate…but we need to hear the WHOLE story about the person that’s on our roster NOW.

    • Coug1990

      Again perspective. Your big evidence is weak in my opinion. Your writing is far more misleading than what Baker wrote. You cut the sentence at “Lueke was facing charges of rape” when the actual sentence is “the 25-year-old minor-leaguer facing felony charges in a rape and sodomy case in which he later pleaded no contest to a lesser charge.” It is very clear the charges are past tense.

      I do agree that people can change and I personally know several people that were on drugs that have completely changed their lives. I am not even against Leuke being on the Mariners. As far as being changed, I certainly hope so, but I think it is too small a sample size to say one way or another. Give it a few more years.

      Also, the story never says that Leuke is an unrepentant rapist. And really, you think asking the Texas GM is really RESEARCH?

      Sorry, IMO your bias is far greater than the perceived bias you think Baker has.

      I am in agreement with Jon in this case.

  • maqman

    This is an interesting dilemma from both a moral, journalistic and baseball perspective. Morally the man was prosecuted, judged and sentenced and has admitted he did a terribly wrong thing and has a three-year suspended sentence hanging over him. I imagine that as to the facts of the case both parties to the crime were too drunk to be absolutely certain as to all of the facts. This in no way justifies the act, be he has been judged in a court of law and punished. Under our society’s rules that ends the criminal liability, although he can be sued in civil court by the victim should she chose to do so. He is legally entitled to earn a living in baseball if his abilities are sufficient to obtain employment.
    Having earned by living as a journalist, editor and publisher for most of my working life (I’m retired now) I have defended Baker on past occasions on other subjects and forums. On this article I chose not to, it’s too much of an unbalanced, unresearched and unbalanced hatchet job.
    On the baseball level those involved know the truth of things and they will remember them in the future and it will color people’s judgements of them throughout the rest of their careers.
    Leuke made a huge mistake and he will pay for it the rest of his life. I hope some day he will feel like he has. As long as he’s a Mariner I will root for him, without shame.

  • FelixFanChris420

    The guy was convicted (or plead out in this case) and did his punishment…who cares? for years this front office has tried to win by signing “nice” guys with marginal talent and it has gotten us dick for results. If the kid can play (and it looks like he can) then let him play. I mean I wouldnt want him dating my sister, but if he can help us win, I’ll gladly take him on my ballclub.

    • Coug1990

      Frankly, I believe in second chances. He does not “deserve” to make it to a MLB roster, but if he is talented and good enough then it is fine with me if he is on the roster.

      I think the Mariners should drop the “Refuse to Abuse” campaign and start concentrating on winning more games.

  • maqman

    They should Refuse to Abuse their fans any more than they have.