Comments on: More on the Johjima Situation http://www.proballnw.com/10-2009/more-on-the-johjima-situation/ ESPN-affiliated Seattle Mariners blog Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MarinerMan6 http://www.proballnw.com/10-2009/more-on-the-johjima-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-6691 MarinerMan6 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:23:54 +0000 http://www.proballnw.com/?p=2582#comment-6691 My bigger concern is the fact that I think Adam Moore needs 50% playing time in Seattle this year. Couple this with the fact that Rob Johnson will be undergoing surgery on both hips, his wrist, and throwing elbow and it has made Moore extremely important. The only way Joh is moved is if the M's know Johnson will be 100% by the time the season starts. I think Johnson is an OK back and that is what he should be---but his horrendous bat and terrible recieving skills (despite the Seattle lovefest with him) cannot be put out there every day as a starter. Any way you slice it you either get Johjima to go back to Japan or you trade Rob Johnson (assuming he is healthy). Possibly you could flip Johnson and Lowe for Brignac, it will fill needs for both teams. If I had a choice and lived in the real world I dont think Joh leaves SEA and he is a better hitter and possibly better defensively than Johnson as well so I am betting on a Joh/Moore platoon in 2010. My bigger concern is the fact that I think Adam Moore needs 50% playing time in Seattle this year. Couple this with the fact that Rob Johnson will be undergoing surgery on both hips, his wrist, and throwing elbow and it has made Moore extremely important. The only way Joh is moved is if the M’s know Johnson will be 100% by the time the season starts. I think Johnson is an OK back and that is what he should be—but his horrendous bat and terrible recieving skills (despite the Seattle lovefest with him) cannot be put out there every day as a starter. Any way you slice it you either get Johjima to go back to Japan or you trade Rob Johnson (assuming he is healthy). Possibly you could flip Johnson and Lowe for Brignac, it will fill needs for both teams.

If I had a choice and lived in the real world I dont think Joh leaves SEA and he is a better hitter and possibly better defensively than Johnson as well so I am betting on a Joh/Moore platoon in 2010.

]]> By: SABR Matt http://www.proballnw.com/10-2009/more-on-the-johjima-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-6690 SABR Matt Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:19:54 +0000 http://www.proballnw.com/?p=2582#comment-6690 Please please please PRETTY PLEASE, Kenji...go home...go away...just go somewhere other than the Mariner locker room. We need your 8 mil to sign a DH and possibly a LF or SS or 3B. Please please please PRETTY PLEASE, Kenji…go home…go away…just go somewhere other than the Mariner locker room. We need your 8 mil to sign a DH and possibly a LF or SS or 3B.

]]> By: section331 http://www.proballnw.com/10-2009/more-on-the-johjima-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-6689 section331 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:17:04 +0000 http://www.proballnw.com/?p=2582#comment-6689 I do remember being surprised when I first heard about the extension, but it was mainly because of his age, more than anything else... I do remember being surprised when I first heard about the extension, but it was mainly because of his age, more than anything else…

]]> By: Jon http://www.proballnw.com/10-2009/more-on-the-johjima-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-6688 Jon Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:56:18 +0000 http://www.proballnw.com/?p=2582#comment-6688 The Johjima contract is just as frustrating as any other Mariner contracts because of the many levels of stupid that contributed. In no particular order: *Catchers are not typically good investments in free agency/extensions. Look at today's best catchers and they are almost all drafted or signed as amateurs, with Pierzynski being the only good free agent catcher, and Posada being the only good catcher extended to a lucrative deal (and his defense is in question). *This wasn't even a Bill Bavasi blunder. Reportedly he wanted no part of extending Johjima (and why would he after drafting Clement and Moore), and it was a move made over his head by Yamauchi and company. *There's no way Johjima was getting 3/$24M on the open market. Extensions usually lean to the side of team friendly, but not this time. *Last I checked, Johjima is one of the 3 or 4 highest paid catchers in all of baseball, but he certainly doesn't play like one (same is said for Varitek, but at least he gets the intangibles nod). A three year extension at $8M per for a catcher on the wrong side or 30 who isn't liked by the pitchers and gives up more walks and homers compared to the other catchers... agh! Silva's contract is certainly the biggest blemish in the accounting department, but Johjima's is solidly there at #2. If Johjima can erase the final two years of his contract then I will be a very happy fan, and the Mariners front office will also be greatful for the extra $16M they get to play with the next two seasons. The Johjima contract is just as frustrating as any other Mariner contracts because of the many levels of stupid that contributed.

In no particular order:
*Catchers are not typically good investments in free agency/extensions. Look at today’s best catchers and they are almost all drafted or signed as amateurs, with Pierzynski being the only good free agent catcher, and Posada being the only good catcher extended to a lucrative deal (and his defense is in question).
*This wasn’t even a Bill Bavasi blunder. Reportedly he wanted no part of extending Johjima (and why would he after drafting Clement and Moore), and it was a move made over his head by Yamauchi and company.
*There’s no way Johjima was getting 3/$24M on the open market. Extensions usually lean to the side of team friendly, but not this time.
*Last I checked, Johjima is one of the 3 or 4 highest paid catchers in all of baseball, but he certainly doesn’t play like one (same is said for Varitek, but at least he gets the intangibles nod).

A three year extension at $8M per for a catcher on the wrong side or 30 who isn’t liked by the pitchers and gives up more walks and homers compared to the other catchers… agh!

Silva’s contract is certainly the biggest blemish in the accounting department, but Johjima’s is solidly there at #2.

If Johjima can erase the final two years of his contract then I will be a very happy fan, and the Mariners front office will also be greatful for the extra $16M they get to play with the next two seasons.

]]> By: wrob4343 http://www.proballnw.com/10-2009/more-on-the-johjima-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-6687 wrob4343 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:51:40 +0000 http://www.proballnw.com/?p=2582#comment-6687 I totally agree with section... it got even more ambiguous after Rob Johnson started hitting and became one of the most visibly awful catchers to watch. I totally agree with section… it got even more ambiguous after Rob Johnson started hitting and became one of the most visibly awful catchers to watch.

]]> By: section331 http://www.proballnw.com/10-2009/more-on-the-johjima-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-6686 section331 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:06:21 +0000 http://www.proballnw.com/?p=2582#comment-6686 I'm sort of confused on the whole Kenji thing. I can't figure out if people like him or not. His contract is repeatedly brought up, it almost seems moreso than other players NOT named Carlos Silva or Erik Bedard. I’m sort of confused on the whole Kenji thing. I can’t figure out if people like him or not. His contract is repeatedly brought up, it almost seems moreso than other players NOT named Carlos Silva or Erik Bedard.

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