2009 Holes

by ~ November 18th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

Catcher: Filled long term.  Kenji Johjima is under contract for three more seasons, Jeff Clement has five or six years under team control, and Adam Moore should be ready for MLB action towards the end of 2009.  Rob Johnson is Major League ready as well if the team ever decides to with a defensive backstop.

First Base:  Hole.  Dennis Raben is Seattle’s current “first baseman of the future,” but isn’t expected to be ready for MLB starting duties for another 2-3 seasons.  Beyond Raben the organization’s depth at first is a bit iffy.  AAers Johan Limonta and Thomas Hubbard are both left handed and fantastic OBP guys, but neither player is expected to develop the power needed to fit the first baseman mold.  New acquisition Ian Bladergroen could also fit in somewhere, but he will remain an unknown until we see what he can do outside of the independant leagues and whether or not he can stay healthy.

Unless Seattle is going to move Clement to first in 2009, they have no one to play the position besides the mediocre Bryan LaHair or Mike Morse.  The M’s need to add someone, and will probably look to add a 2-3 year stopgap type player, and wouldn’t be crazy to acquire a long term option.  I thought that Nick Swisher would be a perfect acquisition, but unfortunately the Yankees nabbed him from the White Sox for a whole lot of nothing.

Assuming no blockbuster deals will be made, there are several affordable possibilities out there, including free agent Eric Hinske or an endless list of possible trades: Royals’ first base surplus, Nick Johnson (WAS), Ryan Garko (CLE), Adam LaRoche (PIT), Hank Blalock (TEX), Brad Nelson (MIL), Micah Hoffpauir (CHC), Jeff Larish (DET), Dan Johnson (TB) and many others.

Second base:  Filled for the next few seasons at least.  Jose Lopez has the position for the time being, and Luis Valbuena is showing some promise as well.  Between those two and a possible position change for top prospect Carlos Truinfel, second base isn’t really an area of concern for the future.

Third Base: Filled, short term.  Adrian Beltre has one year left on his deal.  Being a Scott Boras client, he won’t sign an extension during the season and no one really expects him to re-sign with Seattle next offseason.  Lopez could bump over to third and projects well defensively there, but we’ll have to wait at least another year to see if his bat fits.  Matt Tuiasosopo is developing nicely, but there are still questions about some areas of his offensive and defensive game, as well as consistency issues.  Beyond Tui, the best third base talent in the organization lies at the lowest levels in guys like Jharmidy DeJesus and Mario Martinez, who are several years away.

A serious attempt needs to be made to re-sign Beltre long term after the ’09 season, but the organization would be smart to look for another option now as the 2010 free agent class is slim pickings.  There have been some rumblings that Seattle could deal Beltre this winter and add free agent Joe Crede.

Shortstop: Hole.  Yuniesky Betancourt isn’t cutting it at shortstop, and if any of us had our way he wouldn’t be the starter next season.  Unfortunately, Seattle has little depth at shortstop, with the next expected contributor being Carlos Truinfel, who is 2-3 years away at least.

Seattle would be smart to bring in someone to replace Betancourt, whether it’s a stopgap to Triunfel (or Grant Green, should we end up with him in the draft) or a long term option, moving Triunfel to a position that he could handle more easily.  Seattle could make a splash by signing Rafael Furcal to a 4+ year deal, but Seattle isn’t expected to ink any big names this offseason.  As far as other free agents go, I would be completely content with a 1-2 year defensive minded stopgap such as free agents Cesar Izturis and Nick Punto or a low scale trade for Toronto’s John McDonald.  The Dodgers have a couple young shortstops worth calling about in Chin Lung Hu and Ivan DeJesus, especially if they retain Furcal. JJ Hardy is the only big fish thought to be available on the trade market, but I’m getting the impression that the Brewers would like to hold onto him for at least another half season.

Outfield:  Hole.  The Mariners outfield currently consists of Ichiro Suzuki, Wladimir Balentien and Jeremy Reed.  Ichiro is declining, Balentien has bust potential and Reed’s upside is as a fourth outfielder.  Michael Saunders is expected to make his Major League debut towards the end of 2009 and has the skillset to make it as a starter in the bigs, even if he isn’t a star.  Greg Halman is 1-2+ years away, and while he has some super star built into him he also has a hole in his swing big enough to put him on the bench as a fourth outfielder if he can’t get some things squared away.

The Mariners need to add one or two outfielders this season, and shouldn’t count on all of Saunders, Halman and Balentien to make it.  Seattle could go after young free agents Juan Rivera or Rocco Baldelli, but Rivera is a butcher in the field and Baldelli’s health makes him a bit of a risk (USSM beat me to the punch for these two.  They also recommend Ryan Langerhans).   Fortunately, there is no shortage of outfielders on the trade market, so hopefully Zduriencik can find something.  I keep thinking Seattle could snag Brent Clevlen or Matt Joyce from the Tigers in exchange for JJ Putz.  I would go on, but the possibilities are endless.

Some minor league free agent outfielders to think about could include Javier Brito, Doug Deeds, Josh Kroeger and Peter Ciofrone.

DH: Hole.  It’s hard to say what Seattle will do with their DH spot.  They could continue to use Johjima and Clement there in 2009, or they could bring someone in.  Milton Bradley and Adam Dunn would be the big prizes in free agency, but I have a hard time believing Seattle will pursue either.  Jason Giambi is a realistic option and a perfect fit.  Baldelli was mentioned in the outfield section, but he may be a more realistic fit as DH.


  • http://myspace.com/tr1ckz pmbaseball7

    I think that the M’s should do these things in the offseason.

    Trade #1- Jarrod Washburn, Adrian Beltre for Brewers SS J.J. Hardy
    Trade#2- Yuniesky Betancourt for Royals LF/DH Billy Butler
    Trade#3- J.J. Putz, Jeremy Reed, Miguel Batista and another player for Tigers RF Magglio Ordonez

    Sign Free Agents 3B Joe Crede, CL Chad Cordero, 1B Eric Hinske, and maybe OF/DH Milton Bradley

    If all this goes as my plan. Here is what my 2009 projected lineup would look like.
    1. Ichiro CF
    2. Jose Lopez 2B
    3. Magglio Ordonez RF
    4. Milton Bradley LF/DH
    5. J.J. Hardy SS
    6. Billy Butler DH/LF
    7. Joe Crede 3B
    8. Eric Hinske 1B/ or Mike Morse
    9. Jeff Clement C/ or Kenji Johjima

    I think this looks like a promising lineup
    and I think the rotation would look like this
    Starters:
    Felix Hernandez RHP
    Erik Bedard LHP
    Brandon Morrow RHP
    Ryan Rowland-Smith LHP
    Carlos Silva RHP

    Bullpen:
    Chad Cordero CL
    Sean Green SU
    R.A. Dickey MR
    Roy Corcoran MR
    Justin Thomas MR
    Cesar Jimenez LR
    Mark Lowe MR

    and if we sign Josh Fields sometime he could replace somebody. I saw him when i was at the College World Series and this guy has NASTY stuff.

  • http://bleedingblueandteal.com Jon Shields

    ^That would be solid, but I don’t see how Putz, Reed and Batista could ever get Magglio. There is only one player of value going to Detroit.

  • http://bleedingblueandteal.com Dustin Shires

    The Tigers want to move Magglio and that disgusting contract. I’m willing to bet that the deal would be fairly close to that…

  • http://bleedingblueandteal.com Jon Shields

    Magglio has one guarenteed year left on his contract ($18M). Batista is owed $9M for his final year and Putz is owed $5M. To make a smart trade they have to either save a lot more than $4M or get a lot more talent in return.

    Also, they have no use for Reed. They have a pretty good surplus of young MLB ready outfielders with much more upside than Reed.

  • http://myspace.com/tr1ckz pmbaseball7

    Yeah the Tigers do have a lot of young OF talent. So maybe Reed wouldn’t be dealt to them but maybe a pitching prospect instead. And that other player in the Magglio deal could be C Adam Moore or Rob Johnson. But if they couldn’t get Mags they could get Brent Clevelen or Matt Joyce, or maybe even Jeff Larish. Batista would be in the deal just as a throw in to get rid of him.

  • http://bleedingblueandteal.com Jon Shields

    I would love a Putz for Joyce or Putz for Clevlen/Larish type of deal, and it seems possible. The only problem is that the closer market has gotten a lot deeper this offseason and Putz isn’t as valuable because of it. The Tigers can sign Hoffman to a fair deal without losing anyone. The Mets seem like the number one possibility for Putz, but they don’t have anyone quite as interesting (at least that they’d be willing to part with).

    Unfortunately, Batista just sours any deal. I think we’re stuck with him, unless we eat almost his entire contract. There’s only a couple GMs out there that are dumb enough to bite on Batista, but even they may not be dumb enough.

  • http://myspace.com/tr1ckz pmbaseball7

    Another player I would love the mariners to pick up would be Micah Hoffpauir who was mentioned in the article. He hits lefty and in 71 games in AAA he hit .362 with 25 hrs and 100 rbi’s. I think he’ll be 28 or 29 in march.

  • http://bleedingblueandteal.com Jon Shields

    Yes, he’s a non-prospect and might come very cheap because of it. I would explore a Hoffpauir/Pie trade. Pie could be had much easier this season than last offseason, and he still has some upside even though the Cubs have lost their faith in him already.