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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think is it, but I can&#039;t see anyone taking him, or at the very least keeping him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think is it, but I can&#8217;t see anyone taking him, or at the very least keeping him.</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pineda wasn&#039;t added so he wasn&#039;t eligible.  It would be nice to know whether or not Liddi was eligible for the Rule 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pineda wasn&#8217;t added so he wasn&#8217;t eligible.  It would be nice to know whether or not Liddi was eligible for the Rule 5.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the intel RE: Peguero&#039;s defense.  I was surprised to find (just now) that he ran a positive TotalZone in 2009 as well.  As mentioned, range factor and TZ are both flawed, but they&#039;re all we&#039;ve got beyond the scouting reports and perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the intel RE: Peguero&#8217;s defense.  I was surprised to find (just now) that he ran a positive TotalZone in 2009 as well.  As mentioned, range factor and TZ are both flawed, but they&#8217;re all we&#8217;ve got beyond the scouting reports and perception.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Yencich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Yencich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if Cots has it right, but it&#039;s one of those things where I guess we&#039;ll see.  Obviously, if we look up Friday evening and Pineda and Ramirez are both added, I&#039;ll gladly concede.  The specific language of it is something I&#039;ve been trying to pick apart for years.

For my own part, I&#039;d like to say that I don&#039;t think Scott will be added either, but left him on there with the basic idea in mind that teams could use catching, he&#039;s left-handed, and might hit a bit.  His defensive reputation has never been glowing.

As for Peguero, I think he was tagged with a bad defensive reputation early on because he was used almost exclusively as a DH in one of his first few seasons.  The rumor spread that he was awful and they were trying to hide him, when the reality was just that he had surgery in his throwing arm, bone chips I think it was, and they couldn&#039;t run him out there.  His arm isn&#039;t bad though, and while he is strictly a corner guy, he ran a 2.38 RF in right field, which is the best of any qualifying right fielder in the league by a wide margin.  In fact, no one who played more than twenty games on the position scored higher.  There are obviously flaws in the methodology, and I&#039;m not trying to argue he&#039;s an asset by any means, but at the very least he is not a liability, and the insinuation that he is was an unsubstantiated viewpoint that got wholly out of control.

It&#039;s true that he&#039;s not a likely defensive replacement or pinch-runner though, and that the bulk of his value lies in his ability to hit for power, while there remain questions as to whether or not he&#039;ll hit at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if Cots has it right, but it&#8217;s one of those things where I guess we&#8217;ll see.  Obviously, if we look up Friday evening and Pineda and Ramirez are both added, I&#8217;ll gladly concede.  The specific language of it is something I&#8217;ve been trying to pick apart for years.</p>
<p>For my own part, I&#8217;d like to say that I don&#8217;t think Scott will be added either, but left him on there with the basic idea in mind that teams could use catching, he&#8217;s left-handed, and might hit a bit.  His defensive reputation has never been glowing.</p>
<p>As for Peguero, I think he was tagged with a bad defensive reputation early on because he was used almost exclusively as a DH in one of his first few seasons.  The rumor spread that he was awful and they were trying to hide him, when the reality was just that he had surgery in his throwing arm, bone chips I think it was, and they couldn&#8217;t run him out there.  His arm isn&#8217;t bad though, and while he is strictly a corner guy, he ran a 2.38 RF in right field, which is the best of any qualifying right fielder in the league by a wide margin.  In fact, no one who played more than twenty games on the position scored higher.  There are obviously flaws in the methodology, and I&#8217;m not trying to argue he&#8217;s an asset by any means, but at the very least he is not a liability, and the insinuation that he is was an unsubstantiated viewpoint that got wholly out of control.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that he&#8217;s not a likely defensive replacement or pinch-runner though, and that the bulk of his value lies in his ability to hit for power, while there remain questions as to whether or not he&#8217;ll hit at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work as always, Jon.

Would you consider doing an inter-blog round-table discussion with Griffin, Harrison, and I, after Z&#039;s made a few moves?  Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work as always, Jon.</p>
<p>Would you consider doing an inter-blog round-table discussion with Griffin, Harrison, and I, after Z&#8217;s made a few moves?  Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No reason to remove Halman.  He would get picked up in a heartbeat, and while he&#039;s a frustrating prospect, he is still very young and has plenty of time to figure it out.  It&#039;s not unheard of players with similar approaches to put together successful careers.  Alfonso Soriano, Bo Jackson, Juan Gonzalez... Rare, but no need to give up on him now.

I don&#039;t view Peguero as a prospect either.  He doesn&#039;t make it past AA without some major changes.  

The catching depth is troubling.  With Moore in the majors, Seattle&#039;s minor league catching depth is made up of a couple fringy guys that are old for their level in A-ball (Scott, Howell, Johnson-- off the top of my head) and a couple of teenagers in Baron and Choi.  

No telling who the AAA catcher will be.  Tons of high minors minor league free agent catchers this year, so it could be anyone.  Like... Rene Rivera!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No reason to remove Halman.  He would get picked up in a heartbeat, and while he&#8217;s a frustrating prospect, he is still very young and has plenty of time to figure it out.  It&#8217;s not unheard of players with similar approaches to put together successful careers.  Alfonso Soriano, Bo Jackson, Juan Gonzalez&#8230; Rare, but no need to give up on him now.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t view Peguero as a prospect either.  He doesn&#8217;t make it past AA without some major changes.  </p>
<p>The catching depth is troubling.  With Moore in the majors, Seattle&#8217;s minor league catching depth is made up of a couple fringy guys that are old for their level in A-ball (Scott, Howell, Johnson&#8211; off the top of my head) and a couple of teenagers in Baron and Choi.  </p>
<p>No telling who the AAA catcher will be.  Tons of high minors minor league free agent catchers this year, so it could be anyone.  Like&#8230; Rene Rivera!</p>
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		<title>By: eastcoastmariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>eastcoastmariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Carerra, Cortes, Vavaro, and Orta to be added, and Ramirez if he is eligible. In my opinion, Peguero and Scott dont stand a chance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Carerra, Cortes, Vavaro, and Orta to be added, and Ramirez if he is eligible. In my opinion, Peguero and Scott dont stand a chance</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those guys will be dropped of the published lists on the 20th when unrestricted free agency opens up.  I&#039;m not sure when the players are officially dropped from the roster, but what does it matter?  If the team needed a roster spot for (say) a waiver claim, they&#039;re not going to let a pending FA get in their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those guys will be dropped of the published lists on the 20th when unrestricted free agency opens up.  I&#8217;m not sure when the players are officially dropped from the roster, but what does it matter?  If the team needed a roster spot for (say) a waiver claim, they&#8217;re not going to let a pending FA get in their way.</p>
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		<title>By: StandinPat</title>
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		<dc:creator>StandinPat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Current 36 includes potential FA&#039;s as they are still technically on our roster. You can always just got to MLB.com and count em up if you aren&#039;t sure, keep in mind players on the 60 day DL don&#039;t count against your total, but have to come off eventually.

My count puts us at 33 for a realistic count, FA&#039;s leaving and 60 day DL&#039;rs getting put back on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current 36 includes potential FA&#8217;s as they are still technically on our roster. You can always just got to MLB.com and count em up if you aren&#8217;t sure, keep in mind players on the 60 day DL don&#8217;t count against your total, but have to come off eventually.</p>
<p>My count puts us at 33 for a realistic count, FA&#8217;s leaving and 60 day DL&#8217;rs getting put back on.</p>
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		<title>By: harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question, (in regards to the 40-man roster) do teams remove free-agents from their 40-man roster? 

I would think that once a player files for free-agent status that would remove him for any teams 40-man roster. 

Froming reading Baseball America the Mariners had 36 free roster slots (37 after Wilson) does that inlcude Branyan, Bedard and all the others?

I just got really confused on this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question, (in regards to the 40-man roster) do teams remove free-agents from their 40-man roster? </p>
<p>I would think that once a player files for free-agent status that would remove him for any teams 40-man roster. </p>
<p>Froming reading Baseball America the Mariners had 36 free roster slots (37 after Wilson) does that inlcude Branyan, Bedard and all the others?</p>
<p>I just got really confused on this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MarinerMan6</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarinerMan6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remove Sweeney, Batista, Beltre, Chavez, Bedard, Josh Wilson, and possibly Robert Manuel and Feirabend (hasn&#039;t thrown since ST &#039;09). Plus I think you could argue to remove Halman but I don&#039;t think the M&#039;s will. Reasonably the M&#039;s could have 8 spots open (I&#039;m counting on Branyan resigning)

With regards to Peguero, I saw him play a few games against Inland Empire this year and he is not a prospect. He was routinely BEHIND 85-86 mph fastballs with a huge uppercut. He doesn&#039;t walk and he only DH&#039;d when I saw him. To be honest he was one of the worst regulars on the squad.

I also saw Scott and I thought he was decent. Although he is really old for the league and probably won&#039;t be picked up. However, the M&#039;s all of a sudden have no minor league depth at catcher so you may not want to lose him. I expect him to be in AA and I have no idea who will catch in AAA (maybe Jamie Burke again??).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remove Sweeney, Batista, Beltre, Chavez, Bedard, Josh Wilson, and possibly Robert Manuel and Feirabend (hasn&#8217;t thrown since ST &#8217;09). Plus I think you could argue to remove Halman but I don&#8217;t think the M&#8217;s will. Reasonably the M&#8217;s could have 8 spots open (I&#8217;m counting on Branyan resigning)</p>
<p>With regards to Peguero, I saw him play a few games against Inland Empire this year and he is not a prospect. He was routinely BEHIND 85-86 mph fastballs with a huge uppercut. He doesn&#8217;t walk and he only DH&#8217;d when I saw him. To be honest he was one of the worst regulars on the squad.</p>
<p>I also saw Scott and I thought he was decent. Although he is really old for the league and probably won&#8217;t be picked up. However, the M&#8217;s all of a sudden have no minor league depth at catcher so you may not want to lose him. I expect him to be in AA and I have no idea who will catch in AAA (maybe Jamie Burke again??).</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrera, Cortes, Orta, and Paredes appear to be the best bets.  Cortes, Orta, or Paredes could be hidden in the bullpen if they went unprotected.

Pineda shouldn&#039;t be eligible.  It&#039;s not logical to have a team make a decision on Nov. 20 for the Rule 5 on a player signed after Nov. 20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrera, Cortes, Orta, and Paredes appear to be the best bets.  Cortes, Orta, or Paredes could be hidden in the bullpen if they went unprotected.</p>
<p>Pineda shouldn&#8217;t be eligible.  It&#8217;s not logical to have a team make a decision on Nov. 20 for the Rule 5 on a player signed after Nov. 20.</p>
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