Comments on: Day 2: Putz Rumors http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/ aka Bleeding Blue and Teal - a Seattle Mariners blog Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:36:28 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4007 Jon Shields Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:31:49 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4007 I wouldn't say it was the experience that made Putz a good late-inning pitcher. He became dominant once he developed his splitter. Aumont could definitely become the closer one day. It would be an awful waste, but if he can't stay healthy and can't develop his secondary stuff that would seem like a natural transition for him. I wouldn’t say it was the experience that made Putz a good late-inning pitcher. He became dominant once he developed his splitter.

Aumont could definitely become the closer one day. It would be an awful waste, but if he can’t stay healthy and can’t develop his secondary stuff that would seem like a natural transition for him.

]]> By: Walrus http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4006 Walrus Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:59:40 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4006 Jon, I do not think you are crazy when it comes to Lowe...just early. I think he needs another year. After all, it took Putz 2 good healthy years before he figured it out. My thought is for Seattle to become "Closer University" for 2 years. Trade Putz, pick up Valverde. In June, trade Valverde, use Lowe or Shawn Kelly or (God Forbid) Josh Fields to close. Then in the off-season, trade thenew closer, and use Lowe to close. I think the way MLB overpays for closers, the Mariners could get very healthy, very fast that way. Ultimately unfortunately, I think our long term closer will end up being Aumonte, since I think his arm slot will prevent him from ever having a good third pitch...but he will be an excellent closer. Jon,
I do not think you are crazy when it comes to Lowe…just early. I think he needs another year. After all, it took Putz 2 good healthy years before he figured it out.
My thought is for Seattle to become “Closer University” for 2 years.
Trade Putz, pick up Valverde. In June, trade Valverde, use Lowe or Shawn Kelly or (God Forbid) Josh Fields to close.
Then in the off-season, trade thenew closer, and use Lowe to close.
I think the way MLB overpays for closers, the Mariners could get very healthy, very fast that way.
Ultimately unfortunately, I think our long term closer will end up being Aumonte, since I think his arm slot will prevent him from ever having a good third pitch…but he will be an excellent closer.

]]> By: section331 http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4005 section331 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:03:20 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4005 Please let it be Washburn. JUST Washburn! haha! Please let it be Washburn. JUST Washburn! haha!

]]> By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4004 Jon Shields Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:48:17 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4004 @ Walrus: Jenks would probably be too expensive (prospect wise). He's under team control for three more seasons. Valverde might come a bit cheaper as the Astros want to move him, but he'd be a free agent after the season and paid more than Putz. I'm not a big Street fan, and he's more of an injury risk than Putz. The ideal thing to do is trade your "established" closer (Putz) for a premium, then develop another current unknown and start the process over again. I seem to be the only one at this point, but I still think Lowe is just an adjustment or two from establishing himself as a late inning stopper. Seattle isn't afraid to bring in a big name closer, though. They were connected to Kerry Wood at one point this offseason. Also, GMZ said the wasn't looking to trade any of their catching depth, and I don't think Wlad is going anywhere unless Matt Joyce and/or Carlos Gomez/Delmon Young are Seattle-bound. Even then, he was so bad last season than his trade value as a prospect is a bit low. RE: Fielder When Fielder was first brought up by Jim Street a while ago, I couldn't believe my eyes. What a ridiculous proposition, right? Sure, a Putz-for-Fielder deal straight up isn't happening as he suggested, but Fielder's name keeps coming up so perhaps there is something to it. I originally thought that there was no way Fielder was coming to Seattle without the Mariners parting with Felix or Morrow, but maybe there are other possibilities. Some combination of Putz, RRS, Tuiasosopo, Lopez and Washburn might do it, but it would be quite a stretch. I still find it highly unlikely that Fielder would end up in Seattle, but I won't rule it out completley. "asking price is hefty" -- Could it have a double meaning? ;) @ Walrus: Jenks would probably be too expensive (prospect wise). He’s under team control for three more seasons. Valverde might come a bit cheaper as the Astros want to move him, but he’d be a free agent after the season and paid more than Putz. I’m not a big Street fan, and he’s more of an injury risk than Putz.

The ideal thing to do is trade your “established” closer (Putz) for a premium, then develop another current unknown and start the process over again. I seem to be the only one at this point, but I still think Lowe is just an adjustment or two from establishing himself as a late inning stopper. Seattle isn’t afraid to bring in a big name closer, though. They were connected to Kerry Wood at one point this offseason.

Also, GMZ said the wasn’t looking to trade any of their catching depth, and I don’t think Wlad is going anywhere unless Matt Joyce and/or Carlos Gomez/Delmon Young are Seattle-bound. Even then, he was so bad last season than his trade value as a prospect is a bit low.

RE: Fielder

When Fielder was first brought up by Jim Street a while ago, I couldn’t believe my eyes. What a ridiculous proposition, right? Sure, a Putz-for-Fielder deal straight up isn’t happening as he suggested, but Fielder’s name keeps coming up so perhaps there is something to it.

I originally thought that there was no way Fielder was coming to Seattle without the Mariners parting with Felix or Morrow, but maybe there are other possibilities. Some combination of Putz, RRS, Tuiasosopo, Lopez and Washburn might do it, but it would be quite a stretch. I still find it highly unlikely that Fielder would end up in Seattle, but I won’t rule it out completley.

“asking price is hefty” — Could it have a double meaning? ;)

]]> By: Dustin Shires http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4003 Dustin Shires Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:42:35 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4003 <i>Add that to the fact that Prince Fielder is not on the Tigers.</i> Wow... It doesn't get better than this. Hahahahaha Add that to the fact that Prince Fielder is not on the Tigers.

Wow… It doesn’t get better than this. Hahahahaha

]]> By: section331 http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4002 section331 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:32:50 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4002 This is insane - and it's also killing me. There are people commenting on MLBTR.com saying that we should package Putz and Morrow - that's just dumb, and I would hope to God that Zduriencik is smarter than that. Didn't this Fielder thing get buried a short while ago, anyway? Or was it just generally acknowledged to be a bad idea for the Brewers? According to mariners.com, however, a Putz trade would mean that Washburn would stay - so which is the lesser of the two evils here? This is insane – and it’s also killing me. There are people commenting on MLBTR.com saying that we should package Putz and Morrow – that’s just dumb, and I would hope to God that Zduriencik is smarter than that.
Didn’t this Fielder thing get buried a short while ago, anyway? Or was it just generally acknowledged to be a bad idea for the Brewers?
According to mariners.com, however, a Putz trade would mean that Washburn would stay – so which is the lesser of the two evils here?

]]> By: pmbaseball7 http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4001 pmbaseball7 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:05:55 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4001 If we could somehow get Fielder I wouldn't care if he got expensive he's a beast. If we could somehow get Fielder I wouldn’t care if he got expensive he’s a beast.

]]> By: Mr.Benton http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-4000 Mr.Benton Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:42:40 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-4000 Steve Phillips thinks too high of himself. Would be nice to get Fielder, but he could get spendy. Steve Phillips thinks too high of himself. Would be nice to get Fielder, but he could get spendy.

]]> By: Walrus http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-3999 Walrus Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:46:29 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-3999 Jon, What do you think it would take to get Jenks, Valverde or Street? Would it make some sense to trade JJ (age, injuries, etc...), and then use Larish or Vlad with Rob Johnson to get another closer who is younger and less likely for injury? Jon,
What do you think it would take to get Jenks, Valverde or Street?

Would it make some sense to trade JJ (age, injuries, etc…), and then use Larish or Vlad with Rob Johnson to get another closer who is younger and less likely for injury?

]]> By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-3998 Jon Shields Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:32:48 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-3998 The closer market is still pretty deep, even with K-Rod and Woods out of the picture. Beyond Putz there is Brian Fuentes (FA), Trevor Hoffman (FA), Bobby Jenks (CHW), Jose Valverde (HOU), Huston Street (COL), Chad Cordero (FA), and a few others. The closer market is still pretty deep, even with K-Rod and Woods out of the picture.

Beyond Putz there is Brian Fuentes (FA), Trevor Hoffman (FA), Bobby Jenks (CHW), Jose Valverde (HOU), Huston Street (COL), Chad Cordero (FA), and a few others.

]]> By: Mariner Melee http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-3997 Mariner Melee Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:48:19 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-3997 Wood is about to sign with the Indians. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081209&content_id=3708244&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle&partnerId=rss_cle Great news. Wood is about to sign with the Indians.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081209&content_id=3708244&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle&partnerId=rss_cle

Great news.

]]> By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-3996 Jon Shields Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:27:23 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-3996 For what it's worth, Dave from USSM took a look at Larish and Joyce today. http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/09/joyce-larish-analyzed/ He said that he'd do a Joyce-for-Putz deal straight up, something that I was pulling for a little while ago. Like I mentioned in the post, I've since been convinced that it wouldn't be enough, but Dave's a smart enough guy to bring me back. For what it’s worth, Dave from USSM took a look at Larish and Joyce today.

http://ussmariner.com/2008/12/09/joyce-larish-analyzed/

He said that he’d do a Joyce-for-Putz deal straight up, something that I was pulling for a little while ago. Like I mentioned in the post, I’ve since been convinced that it wouldn’t be enough, but Dave’s a smart enough guy to bring me back.

]]> By: Mariner Melee http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-3995 Mariner Melee Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:17:38 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-3995 I'm going to go mad keeping up with these Putz rumors. I’m going to go mad keeping up with these Putz rumors.

]]> By: seatown27 http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-3994 seatown27 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:51:27 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-3994 i just wanted to say i found this site about a month ago, and you keep us updated better than the other blogs... and also i don't think anybody on the m's should be untouchable, other than felix, so if a trade improves the team for the long haul i say do it. i just wanted to say i found this site about a month ago, and you keep us updated better than the other blogs… and also i don’t think anybody on the m’s should be untouchable, other than felix, so if a trade improves the team for the long haul i say do it.

]]> By: chris d http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/day-2-putz-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-3993 chris d Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:02:50 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1207#comment-3993 Jon, glad you have been getting so many hits. You deserve them. Like I said before I go to your site first now as you have most recent and up to date info on these Winter meetings. I hope, and it sounds like, JMZ will only trade Putz if he gets an amazing deal offered. I hope it is with the Brewers as then he would know exactly what we are getting and they seem to have talent we need; namely, JJ Hardy. I hope, I hope.I do not want their overweight first baseman. Jon, glad you have been getting so many hits. You deserve them. Like I said before I go to your site first now as you have most recent and up to date info on these Winter meetings.

I hope, and it sounds like, JMZ will only trade Putz if he gets an amazing deal offered. I hope it is with the Brewers as then he would know exactly what we are getting and they seem to have talent we need; namely, JJ Hardy. I hope, I hope.I do not want their overweight first baseman.

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