Comments on: Mariners-Yankees Talking Trade? http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/ aka Bleeding Blue and Teal - a Seattle Mariners blog Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:53:36 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4283 Jon Shields Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:34:49 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4283 That is ridiculous. Going on pure value/talent and assuming full health, Bedard is way better than Matsui. Now, it wouldn't be crazy to think that Matsui may be less of a health risk, but there is no way of truly knowing. That is ridiculous. Going on pure value/talent and assuming full health, Bedard is way better than Matsui.

Now, it wouldn’t be crazy to think that Matsui may be less of a health risk, but there is no way of truly knowing.

]]> By: Slurve http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4282 Slurve Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:03:45 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4282 Meh everybody in the Yankees fan blog believes Matsui is better than Bedard and we should offer more for him... Meh everybody in the Yankees fan blog believes Matsui is better than Bedard and we should offer more for him…

]]> By: ernier http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4279 ernier Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:21:48 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4279 I remember hearing somthing about this trade also and I remember RRS name being mentioned . Anyway, it's still fun to speculate and get people going about a trade or bringing back Jr. in this slow moving off season. I remember hearing somthing about this trade also and I remember RRS name being mentioned . Anyway, it’s still fun to speculate and get people going about a trade or bringing back Jr. in this slow moving off season.

]]> By: section331 http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4277 section331 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:09:01 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4277 Eh, no worries - a bunch of other people were talking about it, too. I've heard crazier things... Eh, no worries – a bunch of other people were talking about it, too. I’ve heard crazier things…

]]> By: banton http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4276 banton Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:20:34 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4276 First off, this would be a TERRIBLE trade. As I have said many times here, a newly-healthy, revitalized Bedard will be a sold # 2 for us this year; mark my words. If anything, we can trade him at the deadline. So many seem to have given up on him-no one feels worse about his performance last year than he does. Beltre has been a bargain if you look at his relationship to replacement value, and he needs to stay, also till the trade deadline. Our best option was to move Jo to Boston as a back-up catcher. Trust me, Z was doing what he could. Let Z do his job; he is the first one in a long time to know talent and how to exploit it. The last thing we need is an expensive hired gun just for the sake of power. Been there-done that. And I don't believe that you buy a DH or a closer; we have them, and situation will take care of itself. We have a new first baseman, and he should do fine, especially in a LH/RH platoon with Morse. If we can move YuBet or Lopez, we should. Also Bal. We are stuck with Batista and Silva. Short of having them ride the pines, they will need innings, but not at the expense of our rotation. Heilman is nothing but trade bait, and will be gone by the end of ST. So will Washburn. Someone will want either or both. We should make a closer out of Lowe, since he wants the job. And, for the love of God, please stop saying that Junior should return as a DH. We will either sell tickets or we won't. This club needs time to gel and refresh. In all likelihood, we will compete this year; that should be enough. Let's build for the future. Bill First off, this would be a TERRIBLE trade. As I have said many times here, a newly-healthy, revitalized Bedard will be a sold # 2 for us this year; mark my words. If anything, we can trade him at the deadline. So many seem to have given up on him-no one feels worse about his performance last year than he does.

Beltre has been a bargain if you look at his relationship to replacement value, and he needs to stay, also till the trade deadline.

Our best option was to move Jo to Boston as a back-up catcher. Trust me, Z was doing what he could.

Let Z do his job; he is the first one in a long time to know talent and how to exploit it. The last thing we need is an expensive hired gun just for the sake of power. Been there-done that. And I don’t believe that you buy a DH or a closer; we have them, and situation will take care of itself.

We have a new first baseman, and he should do fine, especially in a LH/RH platoon with Morse.

If we can move YuBet or Lopez, we should. Also Bal.

We are stuck with Batista and Silva. Short of having them ride the pines, they will need innings, but not at the expense of our rotation.
Heilman is nothing but trade bait, and will be gone by the end of ST. So will Washburn. Someone will want either or both. We should make a closer out of Lowe, since he wants the job.

And, for the love of God, please stop saying that Junior should return as a DH. We will either sell tickets or we won’t. This club needs time to gel and refresh. In all likelihood, we will compete this year; that should be enough. Let’s build for the future.

Bill

]]> By: The Kid http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4275 The Kid Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:44:24 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4275 ^ meaning Matsui for Bedard. We gave up too much for Bedard, we did not get enough in return for Putz, and this would not be anywhere near enough to get for Bedard. If we are rebuilding, we should trade Ichiro and Bedard to get people the same age and talent level as Morrow and Lopez and Gutierrez. That is how to rebuild, although I feel if we make a few worth while moves we can win now with some of the players we have now. Go one way or the other. ^ meaning Matsui for Bedard. We gave up too much for Bedard, we did not get enough in return for Putz, and this would not be anywhere near enough to get for Bedard. If we are rebuilding, we should trade Ichiro and Bedard to get people the same age and talent level as Morrow and Lopez and Gutierrez. That is how to rebuild, although I feel if we make a few worth while moves we can win now with some of the players we have now. Go one way or the other.

]]> By: The Kid http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4274 The Kid Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:41:11 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4274 No No NO! This would be a horrible move. End of discussion. No No NO! This would be a horrible move. End of discussion.

]]> By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4273 Jon Shields Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:40:06 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4273 ^or, alternatively, <em>lay off</em> a big league curve. I don't believe Bradley is an option at this point. I think he's going to be a Cub or Ray. Could be a nice surprise, though.. never know. Dunn is still on Seattle's radar. Considering how cheap the Yankees got Swisher and how poorly he played last year, he could be an nice bargain pickup if they're willing to move him. Otherwise they're going to be playing him severely out of position in CF (though they don't seem to care much about defense, anyway). ^or, alternatively, lay off a big league curve.

I don’t believe Bradley is an option at this point. I think he’s going to be a Cub or Ray. Could be a nice surprise, though.. never know.

Dunn is still on Seattle’s radar.

Considering how cheap the Yankees got Swisher and how poorly he played last year, he could be an nice bargain pickup if they’re willing to move him. Otherwise they’re going to be playing him severely out of position in CF (though they don’t seem to care much about defense, anyway).

]]> By: ernier http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4272 ernier Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:26:04 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4272 Swisher would be a very nice pickup because of his versatility. He could play 1B or LF and still allow us to pick up another lefty bat like Bradley, Dunn or Jr. or we could just go with Vlady/Chavez in LF and see if Vlady has figured out how to hit a big league curve. Swisher would be a very nice pickup because of his versatility. He could play 1B or LF and still allow us to pick up another lefty bat like Bradley, Dunn or Jr. or we could just go with Vlady/Chavez in LF and see if Vlady has figured out how to hit a big league curve.

]]> By: Dustin Shires http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4271 Dustin Shires Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:41:50 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4271 Screw Matsui. I'd be asking for Swisher... Screw Matsui. I’d be asking for Swisher…

]]> By: Jon Shields http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4269 Jon Shields Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:31:24 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4269 RE: Matsui vs. Ichiro, I think I read a bunch of stuff that talked about how Matsui received much more coverage while in Japan and since coming over to the states, and I must have confused that with popularity. Thinking about it now, it makes sense that the slugger on the biggest team (Japan's version of the Yankees, perhaps) would get more press than someone else, but that doesn't mean the overall popularity is there (thinking A-Rod). Anyways.. here's to hoping this truly isn't a potential one-for-one. RE: Matsui vs. Ichiro, I think I read a bunch of stuff that talked about how Matsui received much more coverage while in Japan and since coming over to the states, and I must have confused that with popularity. Thinking about it now, it makes sense that the slugger on the biggest team (Japan’s version of the Yankees, perhaps) would get more press than someone else, but that doesn’t mean the overall popularity is there (thinking A-Rod).

Anyways.. here’s to hoping this truly isn’t a potential one-for-one.

]]> By: Digger http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4268 Digger Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:50:06 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4268 There's no way the Yankees want Bedard. Ichiro maybe. Lopez maybe. But probably (more) frivolous conjecture by Gammons. There’s no way the Yankees want Bedard. Ichiro maybe. Lopez maybe. But probably (more) frivolous conjecture by Gammons.

]]> By: ernier http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4267 ernier Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:15:37 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4267 The only way I'd do a trade of Bedard for Matsui is if the Yankees also included a young starter like Ian Kennedy or Philip Huges. Bedard's upside is obviously much greater than Matsui and now that the Yankees have signed CC and AJ they might be willing to move one of thier young starters. Otherwise if the M's trade Bedard they should get back Nick Swisher or Xavier Nady, although I know the Yankees would rather move Matsui so they can have Posada play a lot at DH. I wonder if the Yankees would do a Matsui for Johjima trade, that would make more sense for both teams since the Yankees need another catcher and the M's need a lefty DH. The only way I’d do a trade of Bedard for Matsui is if the Yankees also included a young starter like Ian Kennedy or Philip Huges. Bedard’s upside is obviously much greater than Matsui and now that the Yankees have signed CC and AJ they might be willing to move one of thier young starters. Otherwise if the M’s trade Bedard they should get back Nick Swisher or Xavier Nady, although I know the Yankees would rather move Matsui so they can have Posada play a lot at DH. I wonder if the Yankees would do a Matsui for Johjima trade, that would make more sense for both teams since the Yankees need another catcher and the M’s need a lefty DH.

]]> By: Captain Lars http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4266 Captain Lars Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:45:39 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4266 This trade doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Bedard's trade value is at it's lowest point right now as evidenced by what the Yankees are offering. Although we don't know if Bedard will be healthy next season or not I think the chances of that are fairly good. If he has a good first half he'd be worth way more at the trade deadline to some playoff contender than Matsui. There are plenty of players out there that have similar potential for the 2009 season as Matsui that we could get for far less (such as Griffey). Also, with both Ichiro and and Johjima on the roster how much more appeal do we need to attract Japanese fans? I'd rather give Bedard a chance to show he's healthy and valuable and take the opportunity to take a better look at someone like Balentien or Morse to see if they should be figured into our future roster. We're not likely to contend in 2009 anyway so what good is a 35 year old, aging DH/part time LF going to do for us, especially if he's around for just one year. This is the kind of trade a contender makes to get them over the hump, not a trade for a team that's rebuilding. This trade doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Bedard’s trade value is at it’s lowest point right now as evidenced by what the Yankees are offering. Although we don’t know if Bedard will be healthy next season or not I think the chances of that are fairly good. If he has a good first half he’d be worth way more at the trade deadline to some playoff contender than Matsui. There are plenty of players out there that have similar potential for the 2009 season as Matsui that we could get for far less (such as Griffey). Also, with both Ichiro and and Johjima on the roster how much more appeal do we need to attract Japanese fans? I’d rather give Bedard a chance to show he’s healthy and valuable and take the opportunity to take a better look at someone like Balentien or Morse to see if they should be figured into our future roster. We’re not likely to contend in 2009 anyway so what good is a 35 year old, aging DH/part time LF going to do for us, especially if he’s around for just one year. This is the kind of trade a contender makes to get them over the hump, not a trade for a team that’s rebuilding.

]]> By: Mary Stewart http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/mariners-yankees-talking-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-4265 Mary Stewart Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:52:33 +0000 http://www.bleedingblueandteal.com/?p=1319#comment-4265 The idea of this trade is ridiculous. Matsui's defense and baserunning is already not a MLB level, while Bedard still has a potential ability as a ace pitcher. Their salary gap is also big. (Matsui>Bedard) Adding that, Matsui's popularity rapidly decreased since he turned down the request to join the Japan's national team of WBC in 2006 from manager Sadaharu Oh. Only because Matsui had been a member of Yomiuri Giants, the most popular pro-baseball team in Japan, he frequently showed up on newspaper. But as a real popularity of the country, Ichiro far exceeds Matsui. You cannot bring money by Matsui any longer. Another point is that Matsui (instead of money) brings a troop of his countrymen sportwriters into a clubhouse, which will spoil the chemistry of clubhouse, too. (Ichiro never allowed sportwriters stay long around him in a clubhouse.) The idea of this trade is ridiculous. Matsui’s defense and baserunning is already not a MLB level, while Bedard still has a potential ability as a ace pitcher. Their salary gap is also big. (Matsui>Bedard)
Adding that, Matsui’s popularity rapidly decreased since he turned down the request to join the Japan’s national team of WBC in 2006 from manager Sadaharu Oh. Only because Matsui had been a member of Yomiuri Giants, the most popular pro-baseball team in Japan, he frequently showed up on newspaper. But as a real popularity of the country, Ichiro far exceeds Matsui. You cannot bring money by Matsui any longer.
Another point is that Matsui (instead of money) brings a troop of his countrymen sportwriters into a clubhouse, which will spoil the chemistry of clubhouse, too. (Ichiro never allowed sportwriters stay long around him in a clubhouse.)

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