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		<title>By: Mariners121212</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/top-25-seattle-mariners-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-5043</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariners121212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright thanks.
The M&#039;s shouldn&#039;t have let him go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright thanks.<br />
The M&#8217;s shouldn&#8217;t have let him go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shields</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/top-25-seattle-mariners-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-5042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor Diaz was a minor league free agent this offseason.  I&#039;m not sure if he has latched on anywhere yet.

The guy can hit, and it&#039;s a shame that he hasn&#039;t gotten a real chance in the last couple of years.  His MLB statlines don&#039;t look pretty at first glance, but they prove that he can hold his own in the bigs.  In my mind he should have been Seattle&#039;s DH in the second half last season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor Diaz was a minor league free agent this offseason.  I&#8217;m not sure if he has latched on anywhere yet.</p>
<p>The guy can hit, and it&#8217;s a shame that he hasn&#8217;t gotten a real chance in the last couple of years.  His MLB statlines don&#8217;t look pretty at first glance, but they prove that he can hold his own in the bigs.  In my mind he should have been Seattle&#8217;s DH in the second half last season.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariners121212</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/top-25-seattle-mariners-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-5039</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariners121212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the deal with Victor Diaz, is he even under team control anymore? Why would the Mariners not want him anymore he had really good stats last year at Tacoma. I know is pretty old to be a real good prospect and he strikes out a lot, but how can you totally ignore those stats.

He won the MVP in his winter league this year with 50 RBI&#039;s and 17 HR&#039;s in only 195 AB&#039;s.

Jon, what is the deal with him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the deal with Victor Diaz, is he even under team control anymore? Why would the Mariners not want him anymore he had really good stats last year at Tacoma. I know is pretty old to be a real good prospect and he strikes out a lot, but how can you totally ignore those stats.</p>
<p>He won the MVP in his winter league this year with 50 RBI&#8217;s and 17 HR&#8217;s in only 195 AB&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Jon, what is the deal with him?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shields</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/top-25-seattle-mariners-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-4294</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks KK.  Your guess is as good as any.  If Triunfel continues to rise through the system methodically, September 2010/Opening Day 2011 is right about when we should see him for the first time, although they are in no hurry to get him into the big leagues.  They&#039;re not going to want to start his arbitration clock until they absolutely have to.

Aumont could appear around the same time, but he&#039;s a completely different case than Triunfel.  Aumont already has amazing stuff, he just needs to work on building up his arm strength and getting his messy mechanics in sync, and who knows how long that will take.  I think I&#039;ll be able to guess a bit better once I see him throw in Spring Training, but 2010/2011 is a pretty safe bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks KK.  Your guess is as good as any.  If Triunfel continues to rise through the system methodically, September 2010/Opening Day 2011 is right about when we should see him for the first time, although they are in no hurry to get him into the big leagues.  They&#8217;re not going to want to start his arbitration clock until they absolutely have to.</p>
<p>Aumont could appear around the same time, but he&#8217;s a completely different case than Triunfel.  Aumont already has amazing stuff, he just needs to work on building up his arm strength and getting his messy mechanics in sync, and who knows how long that will take.  I think I&#8217;ll be able to guess a bit better once I see him throw in Spring Training, but 2010/2011 is a pretty safe bet.</p>
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		<title>By: kellykoof15</title>
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		<dc:creator>kellykoof15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I been reading this blog for about a month now and I am really enjoying it. Thanks for all your hard work. What would you say the ETA on Triunfel and Aumont are? I was thinking Opening Day 2011, maybe at the earliest Sept. of 2010. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I been reading this blog for about a month now and I am really enjoying it. Thanks for all your hard work. What would you say the ETA on Triunfel and Aumont are? I was thinking Opening Day 2011, maybe at the earliest Sept. of 2010. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Slurve</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/top-25-seattle-mariners-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-4290</link>
		<dc:creator>Slurve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Raben- I wonder how we&#039;ll use him as an OF or as a 1B heard somewhere he is a legit 40 HR threat and he has great plate discipline and walks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Raben- I wonder how we&#8217;ll use him as an OF or as a 1B heard somewhere he is a legit 40 HR threat and he has great plate discipline and walks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shields</title>
		<link>http://www.proballnw.com/12-2008/top-25-seattle-mariners-prospects/comment-page-1/#comment-4289</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Raben - I think he could be a really good power source as well.  The first time I saw him in person I couldn&#039;t believe how strong he looked.  Some of that could have been from being surrounded by Aquasox teenagers, but the guy looks like a beast.  Pair that with an advanced approach at the plate and good things may happen.  An 80 seems a bit extreme at this point, but we&#039;ll see what he does in 2009.  Just imagine what his numbers might look like if he gets significant time in High Desert!

RE: Almonte - I originally had him around 22 on the list, but he needs to prove himself in 2009.  I&#039;m not saying he needs a breakout season, because that would be ridiculous at age 20.  He just needs to continue working on his swing mechanics and possibly cut down on the strikeouts.  He has plate discipline, so it&#039;s not as if he&#039;s swinging at a lot of bad pitches.  He just makes poor contact.

If he shows some improvement he could start jumping up the list, because the tools are there and he could be an exciting player one day, but 186 Ks in just 492 PAs is a terrifying tally.  Some think that he should drop the switch-hitter tag and only hit from the right side.  He&#039;s hitting more home runs from the left side, but more consistent line drives as a righty.

RE Wilson: Giving up switch hitting seems to have helped him find some consistency.  Hopefully he can perform in Tacoma.

RE HD Rotation: That rotation would be possibly the best in minor league baseball, representing all five of our top pitching prospects.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll all start in High Desert right away, but we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Raben &#8211; I think he could be a really good power source as well.  The first time I saw him in person I couldn&#8217;t believe how strong he looked.  Some of that could have been from being surrounded by Aquasox teenagers, but the guy looks like a beast.  Pair that with an advanced approach at the plate and good things may happen.  An 80 seems a bit extreme at this point, but we&#8217;ll see what he does in 2009.  Just imagine what his numbers might look like if he gets significant time in High Desert!</p>
<p>RE: Almonte &#8211; I originally had him around 22 on the list, but he needs to prove himself in 2009.  I&#8217;m not saying he needs a breakout season, because that would be ridiculous at age 20.  He just needs to continue working on his swing mechanics and possibly cut down on the strikeouts.  He has plate discipline, so it&#8217;s not as if he&#8217;s swinging at a lot of bad pitches.  He just makes poor contact.</p>
<p>If he shows some improvement he could start jumping up the list, because the tools are there and he could be an exciting player one day, but 186 Ks in just 492 PAs is a terrifying tally.  Some think that he should drop the switch-hitter tag and only hit from the right side.  He&#8217;s hitting more home runs from the left side, but more consistent line drives as a righty.</p>
<p>RE Wilson: Giving up switch hitting seems to have helped him find some consistency.  Hopefully he can perform in Tacoma.</p>
<p>RE HD Rotation: That rotation would be possibly the best in minor league baseball, representing all five of our top pitching prospects.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll all start in High Desert right away, but we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: ernier</title>
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		<dc:creator>ernier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the guys that I think will surprise people this year is Mike Wilson because things finally seemed to click for him from a hitting standpoint, particularly his 117/62 K/BB ratio which is not too bad for a guy with his power.  I think he make Vlady expendable because they have similar skill sets, so we might be able to use Vlady as trade bait.

It also looks like the High Desert Mavericks will have a starting rotation of Aumont, Ramirez, Pineda, Adcock and Cleto unless Cleto is moved to the bullpen, but either way it&#039;s an exciting group of young pitching prospects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the guys that I think will surprise people this year is Mike Wilson because things finally seemed to click for him from a hitting standpoint, particularly his 117/62 K/BB ratio which is not too bad for a guy with his power.  I think he make Vlady expendable because they have similar skill sets, so we might be able to use Vlady as trade bait.</p>
<p>It also looks like the High Desert Mavericks will have a starting rotation of Aumont, Ramirez, Pineda, Adcock and Cleto unless Cleto is moved to the bullpen, but either way it&#8217;s an exciting group of young pitching prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: shemberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>shemberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your list looks good.  I am most excited about Raben.  I have read a ton about him, and if he can stay healthy I believe he will be a great source of power.  Before last season, there were some who gave him an 80 on the scouting scale for power.

I also really like Almonte.  I know he hasn&#039;t shown much, but I think he can.  We will learn a lot about him this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your list looks good.  I am most excited about Raben.  I have read a ton about him, and if he can stay healthy I believe he will be a great source of power.  Before last season, there were some who gave him an 80 on the scouting scale for power.</p>
<p>I also really like Almonte.  I know he hasn&#8217;t shown much, but I think he can.  We will learn a lot about him this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately there are no such minor league defensive metrics, so I&#039;m going off of what I&#039;ve read about Martinez.  (I&#039;m curious, was that scouting report from before or after the position change?)  I believe the struggles are just a matter of adjusting to the new position.

Many top prospects start out their pro careers as shortstops, but as their bodies mature they grow out of the position.  Several of the names on this list are examples of this, including Matt Tuiasosopo, Jharmidy DeJesus and Mario Martinez.

I&#039;ve only been able to watch Tui and DeJesus myself, but all three are said to be struggling defensively and it would be safe to say that it&#039;s the transition they&#039;re struggling with.  All three are tremendous athletes and none of them seem to lack the physical ability to be a great defensive third baseman.  It&#039;s just a new experience for them, and it will take time.

This isn&#039;t the same as taking Jeff Clement and sticking him in center field.  There is nothing Jeff can do to become a good defensive CFer, because he just isn&#039;t athletic enough and doesn&#039;t have the body type.  For these three 3B, there is nothing physical getting in their way.

Just like these prospects have to learn to hit like major leaguers, they also have to learn to field like major leaguers.  Few guys in rookie ball are going to pick it like Beltre.. just like hitting the ball the other way, defense is a learned skill.

Errors aren&#039;t typically a great stat to use, but they&#039;re all we&#039;ve got in this case.  Martinez made 16 errors at 3B in just 62 games... not good.  Just sounds like he&#039;s adjusting to all the new plays he has to make as a 3B that he didn&#039;t have to make as a SS, and I wouldn&#039;t worry about it.  Kid looks like a great athlete in the photos I&#039;ve seen.

Hope that helps.  Welcome to the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately there are no such minor league defensive metrics, so I&#8217;m going off of what I&#8217;ve read about Martinez.  (I&#8217;m curious, was that scouting report from before or after the position change?)  I believe the struggles are just a matter of adjusting to the new position.</p>
<p>Many top prospects start out their pro careers as shortstops, but as their bodies mature they grow out of the position.  Several of the names on this list are examples of this, including Matt Tuiasosopo, Jharmidy DeJesus and Mario Martinez.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been able to watch Tui and DeJesus myself, but all three are said to be struggling defensively and it would be safe to say that it&#8217;s the transition they&#8217;re struggling with.  All three are tremendous athletes and none of them seem to lack the physical ability to be a great defensive third baseman.  It&#8217;s just a new experience for them, and it will take time.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the same as taking Jeff Clement and sticking him in center field.  There is nothing Jeff can do to become a good defensive CFer, because he just isn&#8217;t athletic enough and doesn&#8217;t have the body type.  For these three 3B, there is nothing physical getting in their way.</p>
<p>Just like these prospects have to learn to hit like major leaguers, they also have to learn to field like major leaguers.  Few guys in rookie ball are going to pick it like Beltre.. just like hitting the ball the other way, defense is a learned skill.</p>
<p>Errors aren&#8217;t typically a great stat to use, but they&#8217;re all we&#8217;ve got in this case.  Martinez made 16 errors at 3B in just 62 games&#8230; not good.  Just sounds like he&#8217;s adjusting to all the new plays he has to make as a 3B that he didn&#8217;t have to make as a SS, and I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it.  Kid looks like a great athlete in the photos I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.  Welcome to the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul5418</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul5418</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question - Can you elaborate how Mario Martinez has struggled defensively at third? I haven&#039;t seen any defensive metrics for minor leaugers, so i&#039;m kinda interesed. Is this just him transitioning to a new position? I just ask b/c BA&#039;s scouting report on him says he has plus range and a plus arm, so i&#039;m assuming the tools quite haven&#039;t caught up the performance yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question &#8211; Can you elaborate how Mario Martinez has struggled defensively at third? I haven&#8217;t seen any defensive metrics for minor leaugers, so i&#8217;m kinda interesed. Is this just him transitioning to a new position? I just ask b/c BA&#8217;s scouting report on him says he has plus range and a plus arm, so i&#8217;m assuming the tools quite haven&#8217;t caught up the performance yet.</p>
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