Thoughts on Blogging, Lee, Figgins

by ~ December 15th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Pro Ball NW / Bleeding Blue and Teal

When I decided to quite blogging I couldn’t think of any reason outside of appeasing the readership to keep the site going through a hectic ‘real life’ schedule.  But the flurry of Seattle Mariners activity this offseason has reminded me of one of the main reasons I started the blog in the first place:  I don’t have anyone to talk Mariners baseball with.  I live in Washington, but a few hours outside of Seattle and none of my ‘real life’ buddies are Mariner fans.  Even of the people I would only categorize as acquaintances, only a few are Mariner fans and none of them would be considered anything more than casual (“I get my Mariners content from Sportscenter and Mariners.com”).  Most people in similar situations use message boards to connect with like-minded Mariner fanatics, but while I used to frequent the Seattle Times Mariners forum or the one over at Pro Sports Daily and still pop up on occasion over at Mariner Central, I’m not a huge fan of message boards.  Keeping up with the conversation in a busy forum is something I simply don’t have time for and the fact that forum posts can get buried in minutes tends to quash motivation (for me at least) to contribute a well thought out and realized post.  So I started a blog where I could submit my thoughts under my own terms and hope for a response from someone else.

So now that I remember the appeal of the blog, I can see myself making more of an effort to keep it around.  Am I bringing it back?  Not necessarily.  I’ll continue to think about it and will probably hold off on making a definitive decision until mid-January when my schedule starts heating back up.  But I will toss out my very quick thoughts on the two recent big Mariner moves here and maybe a couple of other posts over the next couple of weeks.

The Mariners (about to?) acquire Cliff Lee from the Philadelphia Phillies

I find it a little funny that this deal has been billed as a three-team or even four-team trade.  Most trades like that have players going all over the place.  This trade, as we know it now, is more like several separate deals.  The Toronto Blue Jays send Roy Halladay to the Philadelphia Phillies for Kyle Drabek, Travis D’Arnaud, Michael Taylor and cash.  The Phillies extend Halladay through 2013.  The Blue Jays send Michael Taylor to the Oakland A’s for Brett Wallace (the rare prospect for prospect deal).  The Seattle Mariners send JC Ramirez, Phillippe Aumont and Tyson Gillies to the Phillies for Cliff Lee.

As you know, I am a big fan of the minor leagues and player development, possibly causing me to be more guarded with prospects than others would when sitting around the hot stove.  And while I love all three prospects the Mariners lost, I am a fan of this deal.  The Mariners will receive a true blue ace while giving up just one of their top 10 prospects (in my opinion).

That being Ramirez, who Baseball America had slotted at #5 for next month’s Mariner rankings and I would have ranked similarly (5-7, probably).  Even then, he’s not a top notch starting prospect.  Without a third pitch he is most likely a reliever, but as long as he isn’t rushed he has #2-3 upside.  He’s no ace, and while he was arguably the best starter in the Mariners’ system, Seattle has decent depth with those 2nd tier starting prospects.  They don’t possess a clear future ace, but between Dan Cortes, Michael Pineda and Mauricio Robles the Mariners’ system should be able to absorb the loss of Ramirez.

Aumont is awesome.  The delivery isn’t always pretty, but the high 90s heater, low-mid 90s heavy sinker and sick two plane breaker are awfully fun to watch.  But for the Mariners he was a reliever, so no matter how great his value was tempered.  I’m curious as to why Aumont was pushed into the bullpen.  The front office has said multiple times that the move was made simply because they’ve always viewed Aumont as a reliever, something that didn’t pass the sniff test coming from an organization that is smart enough not to overvalue good relievers.  Then it was reported that Aumont had a degenerative hip condition, with the implication being that he was unable to start.  But then Aumont came out and admitted the bad hip, but said it didn’t limit him.  So I have to wonder if the Mariners moved him not because they thought it was in HIS best interest in terms of longevity or player profile, but they moved him to the bullpen to keep him healthy because they were planning on moving him at some point.  It really does seem like Zduriencik is hellbent on removing every artifact left from the Bill Bavasi era.

Gillies is a fun prospect as well.  Blazing speed, decent approach at the plate, good defensively with an above average arm.  But until he starts making better contact and/or tapping into his natural tools for some more power he profiles as a fourth outfielder (Add on: see comment).  But damn– he sure is fun to watch.

The Seattle Mariners got by without giving up Michael Saunders, Carlos Triunfel, Adam Moore, Brandon Morrow or any other top 10 prospects outside of Ramirez, and continue to show Felix Hernandez and other free agents (and maybe Lee himself?) that Seattle is the place to be– big win for the Mariners.

The rotation is looking pretty damn good for Seattle right now.

Felix Hernandez
Cliff Lee
Ian Snell
Ryan Rowland-Smith
Brandon Morrow

Snell, Morrow and to a lesser extent RRS are all kind of hard to project, but that is a rotation I’m confident in.  Add Ben Sheets or even Erik Bedard into the fray and you’ve got something special.

I found it funny that MLB Network had a graphic that had Luke French in that fifth spot.

M’s sign Chone Figgins

I’ll keep this short since this is “old” news.

I didn’t think much about the Mariners pursuing Figgins coming into the offseason, but only because I figured he’d come up with a contract that exceeded his projected worth.  The Mariners signed him to a fair deal, getting a good offensive player and someone who is versatile (and good) in the field.

Nice move.  I don’t mind much that the Mariners still lack power bats because a productive hitter is a productive hitter.  Besides, the offseason is young.  There are still some very good hitters to be had and the Mariners still have money and trade chips.   (Speaking of which, the Angels got Hideki Matsui for one helluva deal. )


  • eastcoastmariner

    Great to see you back Jon, even if it is only on a temporary basis!

  • dmojr

    I can’t believe how close to home your explanation for blogging hit home! And it’s a great reason might I add! Even if you decide not to pick up the blog in the spring or do it on a full time basis i enjoy reading your opinion on the M’s and talking some baseball on twitter with you. I have one buddy who is a “Mariners Fan” but only during the regular season. Hot Stove, Saber, or the PURE GENIUS of our front office is something I can’t find anyone (short of my internet nerd Mariners’ friends as Rachel put’s it) to talk to. Anyways i enjoyed your post man and i enjoy what you bring to the table for discussion.

    Oh and Cliff Lee? HELL YEAH.

  • 200tang

    Hey Jon, glad to see your post and I’m in the same situation as you. None of my friends are much in to baseball and I too live outside of Seattle (Kent to be exact). I hope you keep updating, even if it’s sporatic, but if not, good luck in your life.

    Also : Are you going to keep updating prospect videos on youtube? I posted a comment on your channel but didn’t get a response.

    • http://proballnw.com Jon

      Hey.. sorry I didn’t notice your comment over there.

      This upcoming season I’m sure I’ll get some more recordings (with a better camera this time around) and will continue updating my YouTube channel, even if the site is abandoned.

  • ernier

    Yup, that’s why I like the posts too. We’re the normal people here, the non Mariner fanatics just don’t get it.

    Good to get your view Jon. Thanks

  • http://proballnw.com Jon

    To finish up that thought on Gillies, about him either having to make better contact or develop some power… Keith Law:

    Tyson Gillies is among the fastest men in baseball and has a decent approach at the plate, but guys with below-average power often find their ability to work the count compromised by higher-level pitchers who realize they can challenge those hitters in the zone with some impunity, and unless he becomes a plus-plus defender in the outfield he’s going to end up a fourth outfielder.

  • 200tang

    Is anyone else with me that this deal doesn’t add up? The more I think about it the less likely I think it’s going to be Gillies/Ramirez/Aumont straight up for Lee. I honestly find it hard to believe the Phillies bring us in to the deal if they can get Halladay on their own. I know that the supposed reason is because they can’t keep Lee for payroll reasons, but even if they can’t why don’t they trade a guy like Blanton?

    I have a feeling the Mariners will be giving up 1-2 more prospects, but also getting back more than just Cliff Lee.

  • ernier

    200tang – I agree with you. There were so many names thrown out and guys taking physicals that I will be surprised if it’s not a bigger deal than what’s reported now.

  • sodomojo95

    Great to see you back Jon! I just checked back at the site to see if you changed your mind, and I was pleasantly surprised to find four new posts!

    I have to disagree with you though. From what I’ve seen of Aumont in the WBC and scouting videos from the 2007 draft, he looked pretty impressive.

    “The Mariners will receive a true blue ace while giving up just one of their top 10 prospects (in my opinion).

    That being Ramirez, who Baseball America had slotted at #5″

    But you conveniently ignore the fact that Baseball America had Phillippe Aumont as our #3 prospect. Other than a minor hip issue and the front office’s decision to move Aumont to the pen, why the Aumont hate?

    • http://proballnw.com Jon

      I love Aumont, and I would personally rate him at #3 or 4 if he was a starter. For the Phillies, maybe he’s a starter, so his stock rises. But he was a reliever in the Mariners organization, so I can’t rate him as if he was a starter. I love Aumont. He was one of my favorite prospects. He has amazing stuff. But losing a reliever isn’t a big deal, no matter how good they are. If the Mariners hadn’t been so adamant that they made the move because they never viewed him as a starter and that they did it to put him on the fast track rather than protecting him, then I’d see where you’re coming from.

      In the M’s system, as a starter, probably #4 behind Ackley, Triunfel, Saunders. As a reliever in the M’s system, maybe about #9 at absolute best, but probably more like 12 or 13 FOR ME. I did qualify that in the quote– “(in my opinion)”– so I obviously wasn’t just going off of BA’s upcoming rankings, although I did agree with the general placement of Ramirez, which is why I mentioned it.